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re: Ranters Want a Redemption Story: You Just Might Get It
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:49 am to Mindenfan
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:49 am to Mindenfan
quote:how so? both guys could be charged with simple battery and have it stick... at least to the point of getting off with probation, community service, anger, mgmt, etc.quote:In which case, the charges all eventualy get dropped.
who here sees this shaping up as charges being filed again parties on both sides? am i the only one?
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:50 am to Lithium
No published rules of fighting. End goal is to WIN. Justice was issued down at the time of the fight....Some have to learn a lesson the hard way 
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:50 am to CptBengal
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however it is not justified when the individual who originally posed the threat is no longer a threat. Like lying on the ground in the fetal position after being beat by several people.
That's all fine and dandy, but the problem is that, as of right now, there isn't a single credible witness that puts Jefferson as the kicker.
But there is a credible witness that can testify that, in the time he saw the fight, Jefferson played no role.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:50 am to Philosoraptor
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Who is "him"?
Once again you accuse JJ of something
where did I mention JJ in that argument...please help me out there.
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You have no fricking evidence to say he kicked that guy in the head.
There are statements that attest to that. And you have no evidence to say he didn't.
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You seriously need to STFU
You seriously need to argue intellectually more better..even funnier is your handle is philoraptor, now that's high comedy.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:50 am to just me
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Self-defense is justified even in the case where serious injuries (second-degree battery) occur.
That's true, if both parties are still engaged in a fight. Once the threat has ceased and one party is on the ground "self defense" ends. Hence possible charge of second degree battery for kicking the guy in the head while he was on the ground! Take off your homer hat!
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:51 am to CptBengal
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You seriously need to argue intellectually more better
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:52 am to just me
quote:quote:
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Schönen Dank
Bitteschön
Germans
Brilliant!!
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:53 am to CptBengal
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where did I mention JJ in that argument...please help me out there.
Well tell me who "him" is. What is the topic at hand? We're talking about JJ, frickwad.
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There are statements that attest to that. And you have no evidence to say he didn't.
There are a lot of statements saying a lot of things. And there is one saying that JJ didn't do shite. Explain that one buddy.
It's obvious you have it out for JJ.
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intellectually more better
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:54 am to Festus
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How do you feel, though, that it affects the initial story told by the victims? According to them, they simply blew their horn and were attacked by a gang of 15-20 football players.
If it was inside the bar, and there statement only covered the parking lot situation, then they appear to have biased their story and potentially filed a false report.
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Do you believe, now, that was a false statement given?
I am unsure of the timeline, although from the information we have it appears as if at least 1 person has given an at least partially false statement.
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If so, which parts of their versions in the police report, and witnesses tied to them, were true and which were embellished?
I dont have access to enough information to make that determination, nobody but the police/DA/attorneys do.
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And for the record, I agree that the person kicking another in the head while lying in a fetal position is not justified. I just don't know who that person is.
Never said I know either, but the complaining witness, and a third party witness, and maybe other witnesses have identified JJ.
That's why I am happy the police are actively doing the most thorough investigation to determine who did kick that person.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:54 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
I mean this in the nicest way possible but please tell me you aren't a practicing attorney or a law student. Some of the things you say like:
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A 1L would know that statement is wrong.
make it sound like you're trying to be one of the above but then you get the definitions of assault and battery confused which is something a 1L would know.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:55 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
I think it's funny which posts you choose to reply to, usually the ones involving the idiot rantards that jump in and say "STFU" and you come back with some "clever" remark that holds no substance.
Try replying to a legitimate question, such as why is your ultimate response the kick while on the ground, fully knowing that the only real report of this "kick" is from a biased "third party"?
or you could ignore this and keep trying to be witty, whatever
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:55 am to Philosoraptor
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It's obvious you have it out for JJ.
because I dont proclaim his innocent without all the facts?
wow.
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intellectually more better
swing and a miss.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:55 am to CptBengal
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There are statements that attest to that. And you have no evidence to say he didn't.
Wait...do you want statements...or evidence? You seem to be indicating you're ok with mere statements suggesting JJ was the kicker, but you want evidence to prove he wasn't? Awesome...
Further...do we not now have statements from the employees at the bar that are clear that, to their recollection, JJ was not the kicker?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:57 am to CptBengal
quote:In the heat of a fight, it can be difficult to tell who poses a threat. People get up. The many who was on the ground was not carried away on a stretcher.
however it is not justified when the individual who originally posed the threat is no longer a threat.
quote:Do you get paid for each use of the word "fetal"? He didn't look to me like he was in a fetal position.
Like lying on the ground in the fetal position
quote:You don't know how many people might have hit him.
after being beat by several people
Tell us again how you are not trying to hang Jefferson?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:57 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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such as why is your ultimate response the kick while on the ground, fully knowing that the only real report of this "kick" is from a biased "third party"?
there is video of the kick. It actually occurred. that is not in dispute. the dispute is on who did the kicking.
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or you could ignore this
i answer as fast as i can.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:57 am to Elleshoe
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make it sound like you're trying to be one of the above but then you get the definitions of assault and battery confused which is something a 1L would know.
And something a 2L would forget until time to take the bar at which time he/she would be reminded. And, I hate to say it, some forget 28 years after being a 1L when he/she doesn't do criminal work.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:57 am to spslayto
Not sure if this has been discussed, but does the fact one of the Shady4 said they had a gun in the car play a role in how far the football players can go in protecting themselves? My point being, would this make it easier to justify kicking the guy in the head if he thought a gun was around?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Wait...do you want statements...or evidence? You seem to be indicating you're ok with mere statements suggesting JJ was the kicker, but you want evidence to prove he wasn't? Awesome...
No, I want the police to find out what happened. Usually that invloves statements, physical evidence, etc....sorry i should have made that more clear.
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at the bar that are clear that, to their recollection, JJ was not the kicker?
they do not say that.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:58 am to CptBengal
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because I dont proclaim his innocent without all the facts?
And you still don't answer my question about who "him" is.
You're pathetic.
And it's "his innocence", dumbass. I don't expect anyone to proclaim his innocence, but you are pretty much saying he's guilty without actually saying the words.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:59 am to just me
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Tell us again how you are not trying to hang Jefferson?
I didn't reference him at all, you just did.
He is the "alleged" kicker. That's a fact jack.
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