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Tigers eyes
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Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
You are a prosecutor/NCAA Investigator and want to prosecute/charge WW for crimes/violations of NCAA Rules. What will you charge him with, what rules did he violate? It is a simple question. I find it odd the NCAA wanted to listen in to WW's meeting with LSU officials but the FBI wasn't concerned.


BillF
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Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
Honestly, we don't know. The NCAA apparently wanted to know if Will Wade admitted to offering/paying players. That's of no concern to the FBI...at least now.

Maybe it plays later.


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Moarbenchespeaze
Member since Mar 2019
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
We beat Kentucky in year two of Wades reign. They won't be having that shite.



Cajunomics
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2010
629 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
There is no way to punish, because there is no substance.

It's absurd we are even going through this right now.


I20goon
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about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
To me it is obvious he did or tried to give impermissible benefits. Yes, I'm taking what is weak circumstancial evidence, bridging an info gap, and making an assumption.

It's ok... I expect and want LSU coaches to do what is necessary in this corrupt system to win. And CWW is getting the results we wanted. If it wasn't for the admin creating no-win scenarios I'd be very happy with how this is setup. Looks very much like Wade could, maybe, escape with minor penalties due to that evidence being flimsy. Except our admins and compliance went the complete other direction.

But to answer your question: charged with impermissible benefits. No idea how many incidents. I'd start with Level I knowing 2 things:
1. If they circle the wagons (which we didn't) it is going to be tough
2. I, as the NCAA, do not have the burden of proof technically.

So with weak evidence working against me, the lack of need of burden of proof working for me I start with Level I and when they circle the wagons I drop them down a level, end up with minor penalties so I can claim I punished LSU and LSU can claim "see, it wasn't that big of a deal".

Except we didn't circle the wagons now did we?


JohnnyU
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Florida
Member since Nov 2006
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
As far as we know Wade has never been of much interest to the FBI. The NCAA has a different role and a lower burden of proof for what it may consider violations of the rules.
Was Wade's "damn strong offer. f***ing strong!" a violation?

We just don't know what we don't know. Wade's not forthcoming with anything to counter the perception. Some would say it's a conundrum while others would say it's a steaming pile of shite.
It seems that there are three camps in LSU fandom:
1. He will absolutely be cleared because no infractions occurred.
2. He only did what virtually every college program/coach does so "they" will have to burn it all down.
3. He was caught doing something impermissible and LSU will pay a hefty price over the coming years.


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Tigers eyes
Member since Nov 2018
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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Except we didn't circle the wagons now did we?

Has nothing to do with what WW may have done or did do, that was LSU administration panicking and caving in to national media pressure. Like one journalist saying LSU should not play in the NCAA tourney, when NC State, Louisville and Kansas have all been indicted in this investigation. Neither WW nor LSU have been indicted, yet the national media attacks them? Selective prosecution. I would tend to believe, to avoid a major lawsuit, the NCAA would need a lot more evidence than what they have in the wiretaps to justify in a court of law ruing a mans career. Regardless if there is no burden of proof. But, again, like I said, no one can tell me exactly what they would charge WW of unless they speculate, and not even the NCAA will rely on speculation and definitely not the FBI.


CelticDog
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Member since Apr 2015
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
The trial is April 22.

Around May 1, we'll maybe find out what wade knew and when.

Either way, recruiting for 2019 fall is going to fall apart. That's with no additional penalties.

No smart in NCAA tourney.

Alas. I was looking forward to year 3.



CajunsTigersSaints
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
Lsu is about to get the death penalty.


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Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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We beat Kentucky in year two of Wades reign. They won't be having that shite.



We won the SEC in year two. They aren't having that either.


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NC_Tigah
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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What will you charge him with, what rules did he violate?
Why bother. LSU will take care of it for you.



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Nutriaitch
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Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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I find it odd the NCAA wanted to listen in to WW's meeting with LSU officials but the FBI wasn't concerned.


why would that be odd?

discussing possible payouts to a player is against NCAA rules, not against the law.

so it makes total sense that the NCAA would want to listen in on petential rules violations. and the FBI could give two shits if you break your own organizations rules.


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JohnnyU
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Florida
Member since Nov 2006
7599 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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LSU administration panicking and caving in to national media pressure.


Or....
Becoming proactive in anticipating strong interest from the NCAA. The release of the transcripts gave the NCAA cause to open an inquiry or snoop around. If LSU ignores the elephant in the room then LSU looks like it’s turned a blind eye to the situation.


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Geauxst Writer
LSU Fan
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
2961 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
Unfortunately Wade got caught on tape. He has done nothing to clear himself. This is ALL on Wade because of the unfortunate leaked tape. We are trying to avoid massive probation. Why don’t you guys realize this.


EasterEgg
LSU Fan
New Orleans Metro
Member since Sep 2018
897 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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I find it odd the NCAA wanted to listen in to WW's meeting with LSU officials but the FBI wasn't concerned.


That's because offering recruits monetary consideration is not a crime, but it is an NCAA violation.


mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
1169 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
We are unlikely to find out anything from WW testimony at trial. He is not on trial. No questions regarding WW behavior will be consider d relevant. In other words unless WW feels compell d to dump his guts on he stand to protest the everyone does it ...whatever.. the defense has an incentive to try to obfuscate Dawkins actions. ... no idea how WW or Sean Miller help Dawkins.

Yes I spoke to him on the phone about a recruit... I speak to lots of people about recruits. What next. Is the defense going to ask him if WW conspire with Dawkins to bribe recruits...why would they do that? Why would the defense expose WW to cross exam by FBI ... not happening.


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Gus007
Member since Jul 2018
1250 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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To me it is obvious he did or tried to give impermissible benefits. Yes, I'm taking what is weak circumstancial evidence, bridging an info gap, and making an assumption.



That statement should disqualify you for ever sitting on a jury.


pelsgang
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2018
27 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
Too many judges in the court of public opinion. They forget this all started over a very vague wiretap that the defense of an FBI case leaked. The NCAA and the FBI have NOTHING on Wade. And for that matter, neither does LSU which is why they are so hell bent on this meeting.


arcalades
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USA
Member since Feb 2014
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re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
OP, you clearly lack an understanding of this situation. First of all, the NCAA doesn't prosecute. Secondly,
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but the FBI wasn't concerned.
your lack of any awareness here is mind boggling.
quote:

What will you charge him with, what rules did he violate? I
they could charge him with bribery, for one. None of us know 99.9% of what the FBI has on anyone. The hope here is not that WW didn't violate any rules. The hope is that WW's violation gets diluted by all the other schools' violations


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I20goon
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about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
7964 posts

re: Question to everyone that says Will Wade cheated or violated NCAA rules
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To me it is obvious he did or tried to give impermissible benefits. Yes, I'm taking what is weak circumstancial evidence, bridging an info gap, and making an assumption.
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That statement should disqualify you for ever sitting on a jury.
Alas, I am not on a jury. I was asked my opinion on a message board. I gave it; with full disclosure of the lack of substantiation for my opinion.

I admitted I was taking a leap, that there was 'weak circumstanstial evidence', and that as an NCAA investigator I would go for Level 1 violations expecting to get Level 2 after all is said and done.

So what's your fricking issue? Too much of a real discussion for you? Not in line with what you want? Too bad. Suck it, I'm not giving you what you want.


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