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re: Projected Baseball lineup and Rotation

Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:01 pm to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:01 pm to
My .02 on some of the other guys mentioned:

Rittiner - If he recovers from surgery I think he will be the situational lefty out of the bullpen. When I said primary relievers in the earlier response I meant the guys that I think we'll likely see late in close games.

Bourgeois - I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he should or could be a factor. He had no control or command of his fastball, much less any secondary pitches. Maybe the surgery will be a positive for him in the long run and he finds a way to be a solid contributor.

Lowery - I have no expectations whatsoever. He can't stay healthy, and while he has had some success it has been in extremely small sample sizes. I would be surprised if he's even on the roster.

Nola - I think we have plenty of guys to fill the bullpen. We will have several arms available that aren't quite good enough to be starters but also lack the dominant stuff needed to be counted on late in games. They can be inning eaters and middle/long relief types. Because of that I think Nola and Glenn (if he makes it) will compete for midweek starts and be groomed as the 4th and/or 5th starter if needed in the postseason (or to make spot starts on the weekend if needed). Ofcourse they could always be used in relief on the weekend if needed.

As for my comments on the first base starter, I agree the pickings appear to be pretty slim. I think several people will be given a shot and those were just a few of them. There is still a rumor out there that we have a juco first baseman signee.

Overall I think our pitching is going to be pretty good. I don't see how we're going to score much unless some of the new players make quick adjustments and become big producers, or some returning players perform over their head relative to what they have done thus far.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89273 posts
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:20 pm to
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There is still a rumor out there that we have a juco first baseman signee.


Let's just hope that whoever he is, he's not Kyle Koenemann Redux.
Posted by LSUIEGRAD13
Member since Jan 2011
3939 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 12:15 am to
They already said Raph Rhymes will play a position next year to improve his draft stock.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31124 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:57 am to
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They already said Raph Rhymes will play a position next year to improve his draft stock.

Did they say that before or after the surgery?
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
36081 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:24 am to
People keep forgetting chris cotton, I think he can contribute next season, he's a junker ball throwing lefty that did pretty well last season, but never gets any pub. He was more of a situational guy last season. I'd like to see him get a chance to go a full inning.

Forret Garret is another lefty that should be healthy and could contribute as a midweek starter or back end of the bullpen guy.

IMO, Bourgeois is just like Tyler Jones, good fastball, good breaking ball, but he just could not put it together. Inconsistent and losses command of his pitches too often. Hopefully our staff will be pretty deep and I'm not sure he will be able to crack it.

MOT's lineup looks pretty good. I think with Hanover and Nola coming back, Jones is headed to CF.

As far as 1B, Rhymes could end up there like Dean did if his arm is ok, if not, I'd like to see one of the freshman catchers get a shot. Evan Powell and Tyler Moore by all accounts can both hit very well. Ochinko was a C that moved to 1B in 09 and transitioned very well. Edward and Dozar just make me cringe when I see them walk up to the plate. Lowery is possible, but I would like to see a young guy get a chance to nail down a spot for the next 3 or 4 years.



This post was edited on 7/9/11 at 9:27 am
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31124 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:38 am to
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Evan Powell and Tyler Moore

Good point. Hopefully they can at least push Ross and possibly contribute at 1st also. Moore brings a left handed bat so that is an added bonus since we don't have many. Jackson Slaid has had a nice Summer at the plate, but I don't know anything about his defense behind the plate. Maybe he could push for playing time also.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10996 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 3:41 pm to
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Nola - I think we have plenty of guys to fill the bullpen. We will have several arms available that aren't quite good enough to be starters but also lack the dominant stuff needed to be counted on late in games. They can be inning eaters and middle/long relief types. Because of that I think Nola and Glenn (if he makes it) will compete for midweek starts and be groomed as the 4th and/or 5th starter if needed in the postseason (or to make spot starts on the weekend if needed). Ofcourse they could always be used in relief on the weekend if needed.


Maybe. Maybe Nola is good enough to contend for the 3rd weekend starter spot. Yet another article a week or two ago said he was hitting up to 94 mph and only weighs 170 on a 6'3" frame. I hope he is very successful as a Tiger. A plethora of good arms is a great change from 2-seasons ago.
Posted by LSUIEGRAD13
Member since Jan 2011
3939 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 3:52 pm to
It was after they talked about moving him to the OF. CPM said he wanted him to play a position so other guys could DH. LINK
Posted by HoumaTigerFan
Member since Jan 2008
5632 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 4:17 pm to
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I think lowery will be in that lineup


I think Lowery answers the 1st base question. His bat is alive and he should be ok fielding.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
5906 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 4:21 pm to
Rittiner= no
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62288 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Little Nola could be the new closer


Set up guy to start off, maybe move into the closer role later.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23127 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

IMO, Bourgeois is just like Tyler Jones, good fastball, good breaking ball, but he just could not put it together. Inconsistent and losses command of his pitches too often. Hopefully our staff will be pretty deep and I'm not sure he will be able to crack it.


Really Tyler Jones?
Posted by LSU=Champions
BAWxtard | Tier 1
Member since Apr 2004
22471 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 5:14 pm to
I don't know what people are smoking on this site thinking Bourgeois will be a viable pitching option. He was horrendous in 2010.

And the comparisons between Tyler Jones aren't even close IMO. Tyler Jones had signs of greatness, just no control. Bourgeois was just flat out bad. I'd take Jones over Bourgeois any day of the week, and that's saying something.

At least with Jones you have a chance just in case his stuff is on. With Joey you can say goodbye to that win.
This post was edited on 7/9/11 at 5:16 pm
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23127 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

I don't know what people are smoking on this site thinking Bourgeois will be a viable pitching option. He was horrendous in 2010. And the comparisons between Tyler Jones aren't even close IMO. Tyler Jones had signs of greatness, just no control. Bourgeois was just flat out bad. I'd take Jones over Bourgeois any day of the week, and that's saying something. At least with Jones you have a chance just in case his stuff is on. With Joey you can say goodbye to that win.


X 10

Not sure what Bourgeois these people saw in 2010, but to make comparisons to Tyler Jones is retarded. They aren't even in the same stratosphere.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
36081 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

but to make comparisons to Tyler Jones is retarded. They aren't even in the same stratosphere.


How are they that different? They are both big RHPs that throw hard with good breaking balls but aren't consistent.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
36081 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 6:39 pm to
Joey Bourgeois 6.68 era with a 4-1 record in 60 innings

Tyler Jones 5.22 era with a 4-0 record in 40 innigs

Take away Jones' "gem" vs a garbage UNO team and you have some pretty similar stats. Bourgeois pitched in alot more SEC games than Jones did, also.

To say they arent in the same stratosphere would be incorrect.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63299 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

IMO, Bourgeois is just like Tyler Jones, good fastball, good breaking ball


His fastball wasn't nearly as good as Jones' was prior to the injury. Bourgeois' best pitch was his changeup.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63299 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

To say they arent in the same stratosphere would be incorrect.



From an effectiveness standpoint you are correct. From a talent standpoint, you are not.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

Bourgeois


Might pitch 15 innings. And T Jones has waaay better stuff than Bourgeois.
This post was edited on 7/9/11 at 8:09 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

To say they arent in the same stratosphere would be incorrect.



One will be a pro. The other won't. Stats are stats.
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