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re: Power Infusion For Next Year
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:08 am to Tiger1988
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:08 am to Tiger1988
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Kling (if he learns how to hit)
HUGE question mark
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Milam
Could flirt with double digits, but not a true power hitter
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Big Easy (Frey)
Has the size, but he was homerless this season. He had his chances
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Neal
Can he stay healthy?
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:17 am to GeauxFish31
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Do you realize guys get stronger and develop each year? Dumbass. The three freshman and Pearson will hav 10+ next year.
Tell me which players got older and developed a power stroke from last year to this year?
Was it Kling? Maybe Pearson? How about Milazzo?
Not a single guy on the team went from average power to plus power. Not one. Okay? Neal was the closest, and he ended up with 9 homers.
We need to bring in some big bats or we will have a average to below average power hitting team. What's so difficult to understand about that? Is that such a profoundly bad take that I deserve to be called a dumbass?
Some people need to read their posts twice before hitting submit, and you're obviously one of them...
By the way, it appears that far more people on this thread agree with my take, FWIW.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:30 am to Jax-Tiger
I think you have to look more at guys like Milam, Larson, and Brown who have shown some pop but are young.
guys also pop at different times. Gavin Dugas had like 71 AB and 3 HR his first 2 years and then 19 HR as a junior.
But I also agree we can’t just hope and pray and need to be agressive. we are losing way too much proven productivity.
guys also pop at different times. Gavin Dugas had like 71 AB and 3 HR his first 2 years and then 19 HR as a junior.
But I also agree we can’t just hope and pray and need to be agressive. we are losing way too much proven productivity.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:31 am to Jax-Tiger
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Not a single guy on the team went from average power to plus power. Not one. Okay? Neal was the closest, and he ended up with 9 homers.
Neal tripled his HRs from last season while only playing 1.5 as many games.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:38 am to UpToPar
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It counts the same whether it goes 370 or 470.
No doubt. But again, White and Jones didn't need to put their best swing on the ball to drive it out. They could take that ball low and away and drive it over the fence to right field. Neal needs to barrel up and pull it. Can he do that 22 times next year? Sure. Maybe. But is he a plus plus power guy like White and Jones? No. Jones and White hit the majority of their homers in the SEC and post seasons. Neal hit most of his home runs early against inferior competition and disappeared when the fastballs had more velocity and the curve balls more bite.
BTW - Milam DID put up more power numbers in the second half. Do you think Milam is going to put up 20+ homers a season? I don't. I think he might double his output, to 15 or so. That would be awesome, in my mind, especially if he continues to hit well over .300.
Look, I'm not putting Neal down. He is, without a doubt one of our better bats coming back. Maybe he'll get stronger and put up All-American numbers next year. I sure as hell hope so. But at this moment, he is not that guy. I don't know why you are arguing that we shouldn't bring in some power hitting.
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So you want big guys?
Ethan Frey- 6'5" 230
Cade Arrambide- 6'3" 190
Kale Fountain- 6'5" 226
Ryan Costello- 6'3" 190
Blaise Priester- 6'4" 205
Trevor Schmidt- 6'1" 225
Daniel Harden- 6'2" 205
And all of those guys are new, except for Frey, which is my point. It remains to be seen if they a.) make it to campus, and b.) are good enough to play as freshmen.
We still need to bring in proven portal bats, unless you want to roll the dice with the freshmen. This year, we had plenty of proven power returning. We don't have that luxury next year.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:43 am to Jax-Tiger
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Tell me which players got older and developed a power stroke from last year to this year?
Over half the lineup was not here last year. Milam, Braswell, Bingham, Larson, Brown.
Pearson hit 4 HRs in 2023 and hit 8 this year.
Neal hit 3 last year and hit 9 this year.
Jones hit 14 last year and 28 this year.
Travinski hit 10 last year and 16 this year.
It's unreasonably to assume that players don't get stronger and develop more power as they mature.
It's very clear you are looking for 6'4" 230 type players that can hit it 450 feet. While that's certainly nice, it's not necessary. It would be nice to have a few guys that can put the ball in the gap and turn singles into doubles.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:43 am to Jax-Tiger
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are good enough to play as freshmen.
Three of them are JUCO transfers. One will be a sophomore, one will be a RS soph, and one will be a RS JR and already has a year of experience under this staff.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:45 am to jrobic4
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jrobic4
Thank you for making a sensible take instead of just being a contrarian.
Like I said, all of those guys have potential, but it would be like drawing a straight flush if all of them got close to 20 HR next year.
We need in infusion of power, and we'll be in good shape. I would rather get the next Braden Montgomery and platoon Brown/Larson/Pearson in the other 2 OF spots.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:48 am to UpToPar
quote:I got a feeling he may leave after his success of late.
Braswell
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:53 am to Jax-Tiger
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Like I said, all of those guys have potential, but it would be like drawing a straight flush if all of them got close to 20 HR next year.
We are all agreeing we are going to bring in a power hitter or two from the portal, what seems to be the disconnect here is you seem to believe we need like half the roster being guys who can hit 20+ HRs or something? We have plenty of guys who will have pop on the roster next year without even hitting the portal, thats really not an issue. Being able to hit double digit HRs is still showing good pop at this level, especially if say you complement that with being able to hit doubles.
If Jones comes back we really arent in some desparate power struggle with next year's team at all. There's plenty of power here and coming here as it is if he returned and Jay maybe adding 1 big bat in the portal. But we got a ton of guys who can hit the ball out the park here and are bringing A TON in via recruiting as it stands. The class is literally full of guys with power as an asset.
Not sure what the real concern is there. We're talking about Jay Johnson here, the guy is an offensive minded coach. He brought in Tanks and Berry from the portal. We'll be more than ok there
Not to mention yo uhave to think of guys getting replaced like Milazzo. Milazzo had 12 extra base hits in almost 500 plate appearances here at LSU, only 1 HR. His ABs will be replaced with Neal/Priester/Arrambide next season who all have monumentally more power than Milazzo. IF Braswell leaves and we land the UL SS, thats a guy with quite a bit better power potential than Braswell. Braswell had 19 XBH with 4 HR, the UL SS had 35 XBH with 9 HR. I think this is an important part you're also leaving out. You're talking about trying to replace White, Travinski and potentially Jones, but what about the obvious upgrades in power we'll also be getting as well?
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:04 am to UpToPar
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Brady Neal, who hit 9 HRs in only 33 starts, is capable of hitting 20+ HRs in a full season.
It's not a reasonable extrapolation for Neal because seven of his nine homers came against mid-week pitching. I think he has a ton of potential at the plate but 20+ homers?
Someone can do the math, but if Jones goes pro, I'll bet LSU loses nearly every regular season SEC homerun they hit. That is alarming.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:05 am to jrobic4
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Could flirt with double digits, but not a true power hitter
he flirted with double digits thisnyear and he didn’t hit a home run til April 19th.
he won’t be Tommy White or Bear Jones but he can be a 12-16 HR guy. which is the kinda guy you need in your lineup.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:08 am to ProjectP2294
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Three of them are JUCO transfers. One will be a sophomore, one will be a RS soph, and one will be a RS JR and already has a year of experience under this staff.
Point taken. They are newcomers to SEC caliber baseball.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:10 am to Jax-Tiger
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Point taken. They are newcomers to SEC caliber baseball.
So was Brayden Jobert who hit 18 his first year here out of JUCO
I think you're trying too hard to discount the recruiting class power, which has a lot in it. And a lot of the guys being mentioned ARENT the ones expected to be drafted and never get here. We're not even talking about Konnor Griffin or anything.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:11 am to UpToPar
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It's very clear you are looking for 6'4" 230 type players that can hit it 450 feet.
No. Crews wasn't that big and probably would have hit more home runs if they hadn't pitched around him so much.
Vance Honeycutt isn't huge. Drew Burress is relatively small. Christian Moore isn't that big. It just so happens that the power bats on our team are all big dudes. And they are all gone.
I am pretty confident in saying that CJJ is putting a priority on power in the portal.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:14 am to Jax-Tiger
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I am pretty confident in saying that CJJ is putting a priority on power in the portal.
If we lose Jones, he probably will, if we dont, I dont think much emphasis is needed on pure power. Maybe 1 guy in the portal. Jay has already kind of pre-addressed the power loss age a lot through the recruiting class
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:35 am to thunderbird1100
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I think you're trying too hard to discount the recruiting class power,
No. I honestly do t care where it comes from. This is a crazy year, where 80% of the home run production in our lineup is gone, now. The leading home run guy coming back had 9.
This isn't a normal year. We need to get some big bats to come to BR. I don't see how this is debatable. Whether it be JC or portal, it doesn't matter.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:39 am to Jax-Tiger
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No. I honestly do t care where it comes from. This is a crazy year, where 80% of the home run production in our lineup is gone, now. The leading home run guy coming back had 9.
Jones isnt gone yet man, he still has leverage for next year if he wants to.
Not saying he definitely stays, just saying you cant be counting him out like White and Travinski obviously at all.
If Jones does come back, the "need" to find pure power in the portal is actually not that great at all with everything we have and currently coming in. Multiple power guys in the JUCO ranks headed in and a handful of high school kids with big power potential as well. The guys who will develop on the team as well. This 2024 class is nothing like the 2023 class we brought in for this season.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:48 pm to thunderbird1100
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Jones isnt gone yet man
No, he's not, and I hope he stays.
Getting a stud 3B, OF, or DH with juice in his bat would still be my preference. I like the guys we have coming back in the OF, but that's 3 outfielders who haven't shown the power to protect Jones, yet.
I think we can agree that one of the reasons Bear improved so much is because he quit swinging at bad pitches. He walked 8 times in the regional, if I recall. They did not want to throw him anything in the zone. It would be frustrating as hell to see him come back only to lead the nation in walks and not get a chance to lift the bat off his shoulder for a good bit of the time.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 1:37 pm to Sofaking2
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Neal has to get better or he is getting replaced. He struggles catching pitches that are strikes and are routine pitches.
Played well in the last regional game.
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