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re: Possible BB coach hires if McMahon leaves
Posted on 3/6/26 at 7:35 am to Koolazzkat
Posted on 3/6/26 at 7:35 am to Koolazzkat
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Travis Steele is one booster’s pick.
Tell that guy to just contribute his money and step out of the way. That's the kind of "insight" that got LSU McMahon. Xavier reached the NCAA Tournament 16 of 18 years beginning in 2001. Steele took over in 19 and didn't make the NCAA Tournament once in 4 years. In fact, he never had better than a .500 conference record in any season. He leaves, and they start making the NCAA Tournament again.
He's been solid at Miami (OH), but this season is a total fluke...in part because of a turd schedule. They have the (NET) 344th ranked schedule in the country. That's really bad. Even for MAC standards.
Someone is going to let this great season fool them into hiring Steele. I hope it isn't LSU
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Will Wade is the only choice.
I'd love to see Wade return. But the notion that the only two choices are Wade or continuing on with McMahon is ridiculous. Just because you can't land Wade doesn't mean you keep this disaster going. This isn't a situation of LSU is winning, just not quite enough (like with saw with Miles, Kelly, Mainieri). This is LSU has never won under this guy and is the worst program in the conference. That has to change.
And it would make ZERO sense to "wait a year for Wade". You're still going to owe McMahon the same annual amount in a buyout. You're still going to have to buyout a staff next year. Kiffin's salary will still be $13M (maybe more if he wins big). You're still going to have to pay BK is annual amount. Wade won't be much, if any, cheaper next year (his salary at NC State increases and the buyout only drops by $1M). The NIL market in both football and basketball will continue to inflate.
If you want Wade, then make it happen NOW. If not, then do your homework and hire someone else. But to drag this sorry program along for another year just because is absurd.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 7:47 am
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Posted on 3/6/26 at 7:48 am to Alt26
I hear ya…but it’s always what have you done lately, and that’s what they run with. Will Wade or bust for me.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 7:49 am to Koolazzkat
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I hear ya…but it’s always what have you done lately, and that’s what they run with.
Then the "they" is the problem.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:17 am to Alt26
Hehehe, “They” has always and will continue to be the problem. We’re just posters on a forum with no means, but it’s free entertainment.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:05 am to Koolazzkat
Read the interview with will wade about his 1st year at NC State and you will see why he is a good coach and MM sucks. He takes full responsibility when his team doesn't perform well,I've yet to here MM say that he has to be better as a coach and get his team to play better so they can win games!
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:57 am to chinhoyang
Go get Todd golden from Florida, he’s done a great job with them and has them in position to be a potential 1 seed.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 12:10 pm to des4271
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Go get Todd golden from Florida, he’s done a great job with them and has them in position to be a potential 1 seed.
Assuming this post isn't sarcasm, yes, I'm sure Todd Golden will be eager to leave the National Championship program he built to come to LSU and start over. Probably on the cheap.
If LSU is balking at paying Wade's $3M buyout and besting his $3M (annual) salary because of "donor fatigue", then they aren't even going to consider besting Golden's $6.75M (annual) salary and $16M buyout.
Again, this is where fans (most who only passively follow college basketball) try to apply the football mentality coaching searches. They aren't the same and it's not mandatory a major conf. school poach a coach from another major conf. school to have success. Just look at the current projected No. 1 seeds and where their HCs came from: Duke (assistant coach promotion), Michigan (FAU), UConn (Rhode Island), Arizona (Gonzaga assistant). Even if you go beyond that you see the same thing: Florida (San Francisco), Virginia (VCU), Gonzaga (on staff promotion), Alabama (Buffalo), Texas Tech (North Texas).
The only two on the list who poached coaches from another major conf. school are Illinois and Kansas. And Illinois would be something similar to Wade. Their HC (Underwood) went from SFA to Oklahoma St. for one season before Illinois hired him from OSU.
Unless LSU keeps McMahon, which would only affirm LSU doesn't care about MBB, then it is highly unlikely LSU would poach a coach from another major conf program or such a coach would want to come to LSU. The only one really in that conversation is Wade. I could see Beard in that conversation too ONLY if he just hates Ole Miss and wants to get out. But even then, I don't see LSU paying the cost to make it happen. It would be cheaper to hire Wade. Maybe Scott Drew falls in that category as well. But do you really want to pay a fortune for a guy whose has been trending down (badly) since he won the NC?
Posted on 3/6/26 at 12:37 pm to chinhoyang
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Chris Beard – proven big-time winner
No, not after this collapse this year
May and Odom are on my list, I also have Wade (obviously), Tommy Lloyd, Fred Hoiberg, TJ Otzelberger, Jai Lucas, Josh Schertz, and Pat Kelsey
Posted on 3/6/26 at 12:38 pm to Gen Patton
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Tommy Lloyd
Hahahahahhahahaha
Oh yeah, Tommy Lloyd is going to leave the blue blood he resurrected to come to this trash heap that McMahon created.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 12:47 pm to Alt26
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You look at a guy like McCasland. He'd been a HC at multiple different levels for 14 years before TTU hired him (side note, he would have come to LSU in 2022 if offered...I guess Woodward didn't get that far in his internet search).
Not only that, Todd Golden was one of the names on the speculated candidate list then and we could've gone after Bucky McMillan last year had Woodward not been so stubborn
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:13 pm to Alt26
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Just because you can't land Wade doesn't mean you keep this disaster going. This isn't a situation of LSU is winning, just not quite enough (like with saw with Miles, Kelly, Mainieri). This is LSU has never won under this guy and is the worst program in the conference. That has to change.
1000% agree, this damage to LSU's brand is beyond the hit LSU athletics and its donors will take on the balance sheet from buying out MM and his staff. That's why LSU moved quickly to fire BK and hire LK after the A&M loss despite what they stood to owe BK and his staff in buyout liability. Like you said, this isn't exactly an analogous situation to BK, but the same principle applies to our brand if LSU continues losing in the 2nd revenue sport at this school.
I know a lot of teenagers and college-aged people don't really know LSU men's basketball outside of the Wade years and those were great years but LSU men's basketball used to be a massive brand in college basketball and especially in the SEC throughout the 80s into the early 90s under Dale Brown with Rudy Macklin, Howard Carter, John Williams, Chris Jackson, and Shaq. They literally carried the water for LSU athletics when the football team declined under Archer and Hallman. We regained that some with Brady with 2000 and 2005-06 and obviously with Wade throughout but the overarching point is the program used to have aura that it doesn't any more because McMahon is a garbage coach at this level and this decline is worse than any death penalty that could ever be imposed on us.
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If you want Wade, then make it happen NOW. If not, then do your homework and hire someone else. But to drag this sorry program along for another year just because is absurd.
Totally agree
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:19 pm to Alt26
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If you want Wade, then make it happen NOW. If not, then do your homework and hire someone else. But to drag this sorry program along for another year just because is absurd.
Bumping this again but we had an opportunity LAST SEASON to hire Bucky McMillan from Samford, we let that opportunity slip, Texas A&M hired him, and now Bucky Ball is about to take Texas A&M to the NCAAs. So your point about making Wade happen now definitely resonates this year for sure.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:25 pm to Gen Patton
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May and Odom are on my list, I also have Wade (obviously), Tommy Lloyd, Fred Hoiberg, TJ Otzelberger, Jai Lucas, Josh Schertz, and Pat Kelsey
Why stop there? May as well put Hurley, Oats, Self, etc on the list.
May is not leaving Michigan to come coach LSU. Same for Otzelberger at Iowa St, Lloyd and Gonzaga, and Kelsey at Louisville. This isn't football. LSU doesn't have the market cache in basketball it had in football, and it's not spending the massive amount of money it would take to get guys like that.
Schertz is on the list. But he will be on everyone's list. Lucas has done a good job. But I just don't know if I would be ready to buy in after just one season as a head coach.
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No, not after this collapse this year
This is Beard's only bad season in his career. I'm willing to chalk that up to a roster that, for whatever reason, just didn't work out this year. He hasn't been thrilled with the roster since early in the year.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:29 pm to Gen Patton
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Bumping this again but we had an opportunity LAST SEASON to hire Bucky McMillan from Samford, we let that opportunity slip, Texas A&M hired him, and now Bucky Ball is about to take Texas A&M to the NCAAs. So your point about making Wade happen now definitely resonates this year for sure.
More to the point, there's no big advantage gained by waiting another year. Other than you save ONE year of having to pay two coaches (the new HC and MM's buyout)
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:40 pm to Alt26
They have to fire MM and put this dumpster fire out! If they can't get WW just do there homework and they can get a good coach.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 2:55 pm to robertgamb
Yes. Get the best coach you can. If that's Wade great. There's got to be some other good coaches if WW can't return.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 3:12 pm to chinhoyang
chinhoyang
Posted on 3/6/26 at 3:20 pm to robertgamb
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They have to fire MM and put this dumpster fire out! If they can't get WW just do there homework and they can get a good coach.
Unless this is just misdirection, and there seems to be too much smoke for that to be the case, then the below means LSU's athletic department is being run by a collective group of morons:
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This one is all about the money. My sources indicate Matt McMahon is more likely than not to keep this job for one more season. And yet: at 15-14, if LSU were to lose its final two games of the regular season and be one-and-done in the SEC bracket, a change could be on the table. But it would be expensive. LSU just spent tens of millions to fire Brian Kelly and hire Lane Kiffin on the football side, in addition to the support given to Kim Mulkey in women's hoops. Multiple sources said firing McMahon and hiring a new staff and bringing on NIL assurances would amount to at least $25 million more in resources for men's basketball. That's going to be tough to endure. If I'm McMahon, maybe I try and get ahead of it all and see if there's a mid-major parachute to cling onto. Otherwise, he'll be given minimal support if he's back for a fifth season in Baton Rouge.
CBS Sports
If LSU fires MM his prorated buyout next year will be ~$2.5M. There are 2 ACs and the GM (Dupree) who still have time left on their contracts. Let's generously say the total amount owed for next year to buy out MM and staff is $4.5M. Let's also say LSU wants to hire Wade. He has a $3M buyout. Plus, he'll likely command a salary of at least $4M. So that is $7M just to get him, alone, here next season. Give him $2M for staff. That bumps the cost up to $9M. That means your bill for next year is $13.5M to pay for Wade and staff plus MM and staff. Then you need NIL for the roster. Let's be generous and say that is $10M. So you are at $23.5M next year.
That's a lot, right? So you keep MM. He's paid $3M next year. He has to have a staff (presumably). That's another $2M. Then you need players? Are you going to give him $8M - $10M? If so, that's $13M - $15M. You're saving the $9M that you don't have to pay to hire a new HC, GREAT!
Except MM is going to suck again and we are having this EXACT SAME COVERSATION this time next year! Only, now the costs of doing business have risen. The coaching and NIL markets have inflated. Plus, none of your costly expenses this year in football are coming off the books. Kiffn and co. are getting the same they are getting this year (probably more if things go well). BK is getting his. And the cost of a great football roster goes up. So you're going to "save" $9M this year by not making a change....to have to pay $10M next year to do so?
If MM and his staff were all going into the last year of their contracts and this was the last year LSU had to pay BK then MAYBE it would make sense to eat this shite sandwich for one more year. But that is not the case. LSU is going to have to make this change eventually.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 5:08 pm to Nodust
Wade caused the current dumpster fire, and he is the reason good coaches don't want to come to LSU.
Wade is weak.
Wade is weak.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 5:13 pm to Alt26
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If LSU fires MM his prorated buyout next year will be ~$2.5M. There are 2 ACs and the GM (Dupree) who still have time left on their contracts. Let's generously say the total amount owed for next year to buy out MM and staff is $4.5M. Let's also say LSU wants to hire Wade. He has a $3M buyout. Plus, he'll likely command a salary of at least $4M. So that is $7M just to get him, alone, here next season. Give him $2M for staff. That bumps the cost up to $9M. That means your bill for next year is $13.5M to pay for Wade and staff plus MM and staff. Then you need NIL for the roster. Let's be generous and say that is $10M. So you are at $23.5M next year.
That's a lot, right? So you keep MM. He's paid $3M next year. He has to have a staff (presumably). That's another $2M. Then you need players? Are you going to give him $8M - $10M? If so, that's $13M - $15M. You're saving the $9M that you don't have to pay to hire a new HC, GREAT!
Except MM is going to suck again and we are having this EXACT SAME COVERSATION this time next year! Only, now the costs of doing business have risen. The coaching and NIL markets have inflated. Plus, none of your costly expenses this year in football are coming off the books. Kiffn and co. are getting the same they are getting this year (probably more if things go well). BK is getting his. And the cost of a great football roster goes up. So you're going to "save" $9M this year by not making a change....to have to pay $10M next year to do so?
If MM and his staff were all going into the last year of their contracts and this was the last year LSU had to pay BK then MAYBE it would make sense to eat this shite sandwich for one more year. But that is not the case. LSU is going to have to make this change eventually.
All that and they'll be bringing in less money because attendance and season tickets will be even worse next season if they bring him back.
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