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re: Poll: Do you feel the players owe the fans anything?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:32 am to CptBengal
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:32 am to CptBengal
To an extent yes. But, that goes both ways. As fans, we have our responsibilities too...something that many don't understand.
Booing your own players, walking out on the team when losing bad or winning bad, judging the characters just because they are highly visible and a lot more. I'd say, 5 out of 10 fans don't have a clue of fanhood.
Booing your own players, walking out on the team when losing bad or winning bad, judging the characters just because they are highly visible and a lot more. I'd say, 5 out of 10 fans don't have a clue of fanhood.
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:38 am to CptBengal
Do the players owe me anything?
Give me a break...
Give me a break...
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:40 am to CptBengal
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quote: How far down the rabbit hole do u want to go? it's not a rabbit hole. technically, NONE of it exists without the fans from all the schools. NONE OF IT.
Ehh technically not true in the college game but let's roll with it?
what does that translate into in terms of players owing fans? what do they owe? They certainly don't owe fans any intrusions into their personal lives, or to stand there and willing accept personal insults.
Fans pay the school for a football game not for an individual player. And the school will still give fans what they paid for.
Anything the players may owe is paid back in sweat, blood, and effort and a suspension doesn't negate that
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:40 am to BrerTiger
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Do the players owe me anything?
Not you. I should have clarified that in the OP.
We are only discussing intelligent, worthwhile people who are productive members of society.
Sorry to forget to tell you you weren't included.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:43 am to CptBengal
quote:That should be their only focus.
Since the fans want to win, and to win the players need to play their best....
quote:Chasing fan approval leads to chasing mediocrity since fan approval is obviously fleeting, fluid and instantaneously fickle. Need a link?
chasing approval
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:43 am to jacks40
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Ehh technically not true in the college game
do you really believe that players with questionable ACT and SAT scores would be Universities playing football with all the resources around them to keep them eligible if the fans weren't supporting that multi-billion dollar machine?
Are you serious?
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or to stand there and willing accept personal insults.
It's America, freedom of speech. you can say what you want (within certain limitations)
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And the school will still give fans what they paid for.
And the fans have a right to gripe if the product they are buying is tarnished from the actions of some of those players.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:46 am to CptBengal
quote:Why do you care so much whether a fan of LSU graduated or attended LSU? It matters not one runner bean.
and am genuinely curious why a Cornell grad in DE would have such a driving affinity for LSU. Care to answer?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:47 am to CptBengal
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if the product they are buying is tarnished
Are you serious? The product has been tarnished? THAT is what you are pissed about?Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:48 am to Ford Frenzy
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Ford FrenzyPoll: Do you feel the players owe the fans anything?the fans=taxpayers (for the most part) paying for their free education because of their football skills at least they should respect that the state's money is giving them a chance to better themselves
Wrong Bucky, the Athletic Department pays LSU for the tuition and fees for all athletic schlorships. Not a direct taxpayer dollar involved with their "free" education.
And no, the players do not owe the fans a thing.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:49 am to Boudreaux in SF
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the Athletic Department pays LSU for the tuition and fees for all athletic schlorships
where does the Athletic Dept get their money?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:50 am to CptBengal
Owe me? No
Owe the University and program better? Yes
Owe the University and program better? Yes
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:50 am to CptBengal
Ummmm..NO
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:51 am to CptBengal
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do you really believe that players with questionable ACT and SAT scores would be Universities playing football with all the resources around them to keep them eligible if the fans weren't supporting that multi-billion dollar machine?
U said NONE OF IT. I didn't imply that it would continue in the exact same Manner as today but there would still be college football.
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It's America, freedom of speech. you can say what you want (within certain limitations)
Door swings both ways Didn't say that fans couldn't say it just that players don't have to accept it. They have their freedom of speech as well.
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And the fans have a right to gripe if the product they are buying is tarnished from the actions of some of those players.
Sure but what does that have to do with players owing fans unless u are conceding that players owe the fans nothing but the price is criticism.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:52 am to jacks40
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Door swings both ways
when did i say it didn't?
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Sure but what does that have to do with players owing fans
living up to the agreements they signed when accepting their scholarships.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:55 am to CptBengal
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quote: the Athletic Department pays LSU for the tuition and fees for all athletic schlorships where does the Athletic Dept get their money?
Sounds like the fans have an issue with the athletic department then.
U can't just run an end around the middle man cause it doesn't support what u want to do. Fans are able to complain to the Ath. Dept. bout how their money is spent but once given to that 3rd party they have no contract or connection to the players
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:57 am to CptBengal
Maybe this question could be answered by taking a look at the Recruiting board where so many fans are fapping away at the prospects of landing big-time recruits.
Before they sign with LSU we fawn over them and hope and pray they sign with LSU. Once they sign they are taken for granted and forgotten about - replaced by the next signing class.
These players earn the university literally MILLIONS of dollars and see none of it. Yes, they have the opportunity to get a college education. But do they owe anyone anything? No.
Maybe if they were paid, or maybe if they were signed to 4-year scholarships, but the way the system is set up now, they don't owe anyone shite.
Yes they're practically kids, they screw up. Just because they're under more scrutiny and in the spotlight doesn't mean they are more mature than any other 17-22 year-olds.
Before they sign with LSU we fawn over them and hope and pray they sign with LSU. Once they sign they are taken for granted and forgotten about - replaced by the next signing class.
These players earn the university literally MILLIONS of dollars and see none of it. Yes, they have the opportunity to get a college education. But do they owe anyone anything? No.
Maybe if they were paid, or maybe if they were signed to 4-year scholarships, but the way the system is set up now, they don't owe anyone shite.
Yes they're practically kids, they screw up. Just because they're under more scrutiny and in the spotlight doesn't mean they are more mature than any other 17-22 year-olds.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:59 am to jacks40
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Sounds like the fans have an issue with the athletic department then.
do you care to answer the question?
I know you won't because it will prove my point...
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:59 am to CptBengal
Its actually an interesting topic. I think you have to look at it through the eyes of a player as well as a fan.
Having played a little ball many moons ago, I would have to say no. As a player, I was responsible to myself, my teammates, coaches and my family. I didn't consider I had an obligation to fans because they were any of the above.
BUT, what makes it an interesting topic is that fans believe they are part of the team. Its like when a fan of LSU, or any team, says "we" when referring to their team. IE: "We need to be focused on Auburn" "We are going to win a NC". "We kicked UT's arse". Who is "we"?
I can see how fans believe they are part of the team. They finance the teams, they help create momentum in the stands and so on and so forth. So I can see if you are that type of fan you would think you are owed something more than being entertainment.
Having played a little ball many moons ago, I would have to say no. As a player, I was responsible to myself, my teammates, coaches and my family. I didn't consider I had an obligation to fans because they were any of the above.
BUT, what makes it an interesting topic is that fans believe they are part of the team. Its like when a fan of LSU, or any team, says "we" when referring to their team. IE: "We need to be focused on Auburn" "We are going to win a NC". "We kicked UT's arse". Who is "we"?
I can see how fans believe they are part of the team. They finance the teams, they help create momentum in the stands and so on and so forth. So I can see if you are that type of fan you would think you are owed something more than being entertainment.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:01 am to Vol Fan in the Bayou
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Its actually an interesting topic. I think you have to look at it through the eyes of a player as well as a fan.
BTW, thank you for taking a reasonable approach to the discussion. Unfortunately most posters are incapable.
Oh and I agree....it's an interesting situation to be sure, from both sides of the coin.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:02 am to CptBengal
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living up to the agreements they signed when accepting their scholarships.
Who are the parties involved in that agreement?
I've never seen one but I find hard it to believe there is a section/provision regarding fans and what players owe them.
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