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re: Poche to start Sunday vs. TCU
Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:57 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:57 pm to monsterballads
I still find it extremely mind blowing that EVERY team started their ace in game one except us.
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:00 pm to JS87
literally every other team started their #1 Ace pitcher
Paul out thought himself
Paul out thought himself
Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:21 pm to monsterballads
Hindsight is always 100% correct. If Poche makes those two easy plays he has a perfect game thru 3.2 innings and that is a different game. LSU still may have lost, but Poche clearly lost it mentally after those "punts to first". I get the seven LH hitters theory. In retrospect, yes Lange should have started.
The simple truth is both Lange and Poche have to pitch very well for LSU to have a chance at the Natty. This still holds true today and now they need some good pitching from the other pitchers as well.
I questioned the order as well, but I see the reasoning behind the decision.
The simple truth is both Lange and Poche have to pitch very well for LSU to have a chance at the Natty. This still holds true today and now they need some good pitching from the other pitchers as well.
I questioned the order as well, but I see the reasoning behind the decision.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:01 pm to monsterballads
And literally every one of those other aces is available for a second game in the L bracket if needed. If we pitched Lange, that's not a luxury we have.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:06 pm to monsterballads
Still pretty funny
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:09 pm to southernelite
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And literally every one of those other aces is available for a second game in the L bracket if needed. If we pitched Lange, that's not a luxury we have.
theres no place in here for logical thought
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:16 pm to southernelite
Who's the best pitcher on the staff?
I'll give you the answer: Lange
He should have started. Oh well.
I'll give you the answer: Lange
He should have started. Oh well.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:25 pm to monsterballads
There's no second guessing CPM in here. It's his way or the highway.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:29 pm to monsterballads
Lets revisit after the tournament.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:42 pm to OneMoreTime
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Still pretty funny
It's almost comical. Save your ace for CSF. This has worked out terribly for Paul. Baseball is a hell of a game. If CPM stays with this thought process then he would start Bain.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:24 pm to Voorhies7
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It's almost comical. Save your ace for CSF. This has worked out terribly for Paul
Ok and if it had worked the way he planned for it, we would be the only team sitting in the winners bracket with our ace throwing. In which case all of you would be screaming his praises. Anybody care to look at it that way? He didn't "save his ace for CSF".
Just because we lost, doesn't mean the strategy was wrong in this case. You can't predict shite like that. Poche was dealing and the errors got to him. Some of you just can't get past the L. shite happens.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:29 pm to im4LSU
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Ok and if it had worked the way he planned for it, we would be the only team sitting in the winners bracket with our ace throwing.
But his plan failed, instead they now have the best pitcher in the loser's bracket. Not really an enviable position.
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He didn't "save his ace for CSF".
Well he certainly saved him for someone other than TCU.
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Just because we lost, doesn't mean the strategy was wrong
But they lost precisely because of the strategy. Poche came unglued to the tune of 6 runs.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:44 pm to Rickety Cricket
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But his plan failed, instead they now have the best pitcher in the loser's bracket. Not really an enviable position.
This is called hindsight. Doesn't really come into play when planning for a 2 week baseball tournament.
Like I said, shite happens. Would you rather have Poche in this position?
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Well he certainly saved him for someone other than TCU.
Very astute observation. Again, part of a plan to win the whole thing. Not just one game.
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But they lost precisely because of the strategy. Poche came unglued to the tune of 6 runs.
This is the hindsight thing again. How is CPM supposed to plan for freak occurrences like yesterday? Again, just because it didn't work out doesn't mean the overall strategy was wrong (I know, you're struggling with this). shite happens. You can't plan for everything. What you CAN do, and what CPM did, was give his team the best chance to make a run, no matter what happened in game 1. Poche will be able to throw again sooner than Lange would have. And if we make a good run, we have the possibility of Lange throwing again in game 1 of the finals and Poche if need be.
And I see your point. Lange may have given us a better chance to win yesterday. But who is to say that he doesn't muff a few throws to first as well? (This comes back to the hindsight thing). You can't plan for these things. Then we are staring down the lb without our ace available for a week....
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:52 pm to JS87
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I still find it extremely mind blowing that EVERY team started their ace in game one except us.
Is every team in the same situation as us? There's only 7 other teams.. We started the same Friday night guy we have had all season long.. the guy who has been LIGHTS out his last 2 starts.. The same guy who was cruising and absolutely dominating TCU from a pitching standpoint.. but failed with two critical errors.. that really changed everything.
So CPM went with the guy who has been the #1 guy all season with a team with the most wins and who was pitching outstanding.. and had more experience over a true freshman.
So.. we played like shite.. we only scored 1 run off TCU starting pitcher.. The other 2 runs came off bullpen. TCU would have let their starter finish the game if need be, because we couldn't do shite against that groundball guy.. So essentially we only 1 run off that guy.. Would 1 run be enough to beat TCU, even with Lange on his game? Who knows, but the team was making errors outside of Poche.. Sure would have sucked to have the same performance and then waste Lange game one with a loss and have absolutely no hope going forward.
I do believe after Poche's 2 error inning he should have been on an extremely tight leash.. and we should have used our better relief options longer.. we could have managed our way back into the game.. but the actual starting Poche was a regular idea.
How is it such a given we win even with Lange with such a shite performance all around?
It's truly time to just get behind the players and root for more wins. Last time we lost, we won 5 straight. Let's get another win going.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:58 pm to Rickety Cricket
And to play your hypothetical game, say we start Lange yesterday and win. Poche loses tomorrow. Same position, right?
Except for the fact that Lange would end up throwing against TCU/Vandy making him unavailable for the finals. And since poche didn't throw until Tuesday (tomorrow), he would likely be unavailable until the finals.
So what CPM did was maximize the possible appearances by his best pitchers. Possibly see Poche 3 times and Lange twice. One being game 1 of the finals... if we make it.
But by all means... keep going coach
Except for the fact that Lange would end up throwing against TCU/Vandy making him unavailable for the finals. And since poche didn't throw until Tuesday (tomorrow), he would likely be unavailable until the finals.
So what CPM did was maximize the possible appearances by his best pitchers. Possibly see Poche 3 times and Lange twice. One being game 1 of the finals... if we make it.
But by all means... keep going coach
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:36 pm to southernelite
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Lets revisit after the tournament.
lange was the best pitcher ALL YEAR. that includes the post season. where have you been???
to me paul was focusing on winning the first TWO games and treated them like a weekend series. instead he should have focused on winning game one first.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:38 pm to monsterballads
Doesn't matter. Vandy would have pushed Poche's shite in.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:05 pm to im4LSU
You people still playing for Friday and Saturday when we need to win one freaking game? I would much rather have stayed in the winners bracket than face elimination to tomorrow because Poche has the chance to pitch on Saturday. 1 or 2 wins is better than 2 and Q and Poche pitching in Cape Cod on Saturday.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:13 pm to Catman88
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1 or 2 wins is better than 2 and Q and Poche pitching in Cape Cod on Saturday.
I don't think anyone thought the goal was to win 1 or 2 games. If you're trying to win the tournament you do what is best to get to the finals. PM thought Poche gane 1 and Lange game 2 was the best way to get to the finals and I tend to agree.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:23 pm to monsterballads
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lange was the best pitcher ALL YEAR. that includes the post season. where have you been
And Lange was our #2 starter ALL YEAR.
But by all means, lets change the formula we've won with all year, for this tournament just because everyone else is throwing their ace.
Get over the loss people. shite happens.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 10:26 pm
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