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re: Poche to start Sunday vs. TCU

Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by LSU 318 LSU
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:15 pm to
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Worked out swell for Tony Robichaux
What did? UL is at home and we at the CWS
Posted by LSU 318 LSU
El Cerrito Place
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:18 pm to
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LSU is screwd if we lose game 2. We only have 2 set starters. So you put them in the order that gives you the best chance to win both. Lange gives us the best chance either day... but Poche gives us the better chance Sunday over Tuesday. That's what this comes down to.
Ell, I just gave you a virtual high five

This post was edited on 6/12/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:35 pm to
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Worked out swell for Tony Robichaux


You do realize that it did work out, right?

Making a good decision doesn't guarantee a win.

There is no advantage to winning game one vs. game two.

You've got to play the percentages that give you the best chances of winning BOTH. Now, if you want to make the case that Lange/Poche gives us a better chance of being 2-0 than Poche/Lange, I'm all ears.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:39 pm to
It's the only move IMO.... So many positives. Lefty heavy lineup, veteran presence, is hot, TCU had lots of trouble with a&m left and both are similar, and finally win and Lange will prob be facing Vandy which I think gives us the best chance against those guys as well. Love it!! Offense has to wake up and be aggressive when needed but patient at the same time. Go Tigers !!!
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11376 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:16 pm to
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I don't think that is exactly what is happening. He's not taking a more risky path. He's just looking at game 1 and game 2 together and figuring out the scenario which gives LSU the best chance of winning BOTH.


No, I think it is because TCU has 7 lefty hitters. This isn't complicated
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:18 pm to
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LSU is screwd if we lose game 2. We only have 2 set starters. So you put them in the order that gives you the best chance to win both. Lange gives us the best chance either day... but Poche gives us the better chance Sunday over Tuesday. That's what this comes down to.

Boom! What I've been saying all week.
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:22 pm to
Astro posted some splits. They actually hit lefties better than righties but it's not a big discrepancy.
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4186 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:46 pm to
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I think this has more to do with Lange getting rest then thinking about games deeper in the tournament.


Seems similar to Renaudo and Coleman in 2009. Renaudo was the stud, but Coleman was the bulldog with the rubber arm. I think Coleman ended up pitching as either a reliever or a starter in 4 of their games in the CWS, although Renaudo did start in game 1 and pitched into the 4th inning.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 4:48 pm to
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You do realize that it did work out, right?

Making a good decision doesn't guarantee a win.


It didn't work out. The lost game one because their starter gave up 3 early runs. It was a deficit they could not overcome, but had Leger pitched like he did on day 2, they very well could have won that game. You don't ever cede a game. Don't leave bullets in the chamber because you never know when the bats go dormant.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63001 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:06 pm to
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It didn't work out. The lost game one because their starter gave up 3 early runs. It was a deficit they could not overcome, but had Leger pitched like he did on day 2, they very well could have won that game. You don't ever cede a game. Don't leave bullets in the chamber because you never know when the bats go dormant.



That's ridiculous.

ULL was in a 3-3 game in the 9th and had it's ace in game 2 against LSU's #2 starter. And, the ace pitched great for 7 innings and kept them close. That is EXACTLY what Robichaux was hoping for. It worked perfectly.

The fact that you can't get past the outcome shows that you struggle with the concept of a good decision that ultimately doesn't work out.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63001 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:07 pm to
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You don't ever cede a game


Also, this isn't happening. This is a straw man you are creating.
Posted by RoaringTiger33
Member since Jun 2011
567 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:15 pm to
Not smart, but what would you expect from Paul?

Lange is easily the ace, giving up less hits, less runs, less earned runs, less doubles, less homers, and striking out nearly double the batters.

Lange's Opp BA is 35 points lower than Poche's - even if every lefty in TCU's lineup gains a 'huge' 50 points to their batting average vs a righty, you're still looking at almost the same number of hits from them you could expect with Pouche' on the mound, plus Pouche's Opp BA for the right handers as well (note: even at 50 points more is only 1 more in every 20 at bats).

Plus, whoever starts game 1 gets an extra day's rest should you need them again later - you need that to be your ace.

The 'matchups' ideal is overplayed. There is a reason why almost every team rolls with their ace in game 1 every time.
This post was edited on 6/12/15 at 5:18 pm
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2691 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:18 pm to
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Not smart, but what would you expect from Paul?


Do you consider yourself smart?
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:24 pm to
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Not smart, but what would you expect from Paul?

lol
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87989 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:26 pm to
All that just to say Lange is the better pitcher. Very observant. Gold star.

Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26134 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:04 pm to
False.
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11376 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:32 pm to
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Astro posted some splits. They actually hit lefties better than righties but it's not a big discrepancy.


But we don't know the quality of those pitchers and as a rule you would always look for a lefty/lefty advantage. (even if it is psychological)
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87989 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:38 pm to
What's odd is a few of the lefties hit lefties better. And it's not close.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
29855 posts
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:49 pm to
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Renaudo was the stud, but Coleman was the bulldog with the rubber arm. I think Coleman ended up pitching as either a reliever or a starter in 4 of their games in the CWS, although Renaudo did start in game 1 and pitched into the 4th inning.



Louis Coleman was the SEC pitcher of the year. Im pretty sure that qualifies as being the stud.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31513 posts
Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:49 pm to
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RoaringTiger33


quote:

Not smart, but what would you expect from Paul?

Lange is easily the ace, giving up less hits, less runs, less earned runs, less doubles, less homers, and striking out nearly double the batters.

Lange's Opp BA is 35 points lower than Poche's - even if every lefty in TCU's lineup gains a 'huge' 50 points to their batting average vs a righty, you're still looking at almost the same number of hits from them you could expect with Pouche' on the mound, plus Pouche's Opp BA for the right handers as well (note: even at 50 points more is only 1 more in every 20 at bats).

Plus, whoever starts game 1 gets an extra day's rest should you need them again later - you need that to be your ace.

The 'matchups' ideal is overplayed. There is a reason why almost every team rolls with their ace in game 1 every time.


quote:

Do you consider yourself smart?


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lol


not so funny now is it?
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