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re: Play Calling Response Thread
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:25 pm to Dj-PQ
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:25 pm to Dj-PQ
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Hah, I guess you believe running the ball on first and second, then trying to pass on third is unpredictable
So just did a bit of homework:
We had 12 total drives (not counting the end of the game which was run each down)
8 times we started the drive with two runs. 4 of those ended in scores (2 td, 2 fg)
5 times we started with at least 1 pass in the first 2 downs (all in the first half). 1 of those ended in a score (dural 80yd TD)
In a bit more depth, for each set of downs:
We had 16 set of downs that we began with a run on 1st and 2nd down. 9 of those ended in a 1st down or score. (56%)
We had 11 set of downs where we had a pass on either the 1st or 2nd down. 7 of those ended in a first down. (63%)
So I'm not sure why you think passing is a superior position for this team to play from.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:58 pm
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:25 pm to Rex
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My problem with Les Miles's offense is that he often seems more concerned with imposing his will
Agree. The past couple years have shown Miles stubbornness in games. That he wants to have a physical running game. And that will be the be all end all.
Two examples:
Florida last year. Purifoy, Roberson, and Hargreaves were hanging on for dear life against Beckham and Landry. They could not cover them. So we get a lead and then force a running game. We barely beat a team struggling against us. It got us the Win though.
Bama last year. Same example. The Alabama defensive backs could not guard OBJ and Landry. Yet in the second half we forced a run game. And ultimately it cost us the game. We ran right into the strength of Alabama, and they stopped us.
Now this past game same statement. The Wisconsin Dbacks could not guard our WR's. So we continued to run into 3rd down into an obvious passing down.
SEC teams won't choke a 24-7 lead half way through the 3rd quarter like Wisconsin did. Hopefully the coaches learn from this.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:27 pm to Tigercoop40
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in the first half we were very predictable when it came to offense. A lot of 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down(around 3rd and 5-7 yards) pass.
Except that's just wrong. We ran more in the 2nd half than the 1st. We started about half our drives in the 1st half with passes.
In the first half with Jennings at QB, we only had 3 drives start with two run plays of the 8 drives.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:28 pm to Dj-PQ
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It's like 2012 all over again
Nah, we ran the ball out of the shotgun for the first time in years on Saturday
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:30 pm to Dj-PQ
It doesn't make any sense. Miles clearly prefers to have a mobile/running QB in the game (see 2011 for example and the fact that all of the pro-style passers in our program exited after last season). However, he refuses to run an offense that takes advantage of the QB's athletic ability. Lining an athletic QB up in a 2 TE, I formation seems to take away the advantage of having the athletic QB.
Go back and watch the film from Saturday. Our success in the run game came when we spread the field, put Jennings in shotgun and created running lanes. One reason this was successful is because Wisconsin had to account for Jennings ability to keep the ball. However, as soon as we got the lead, we went back to the two TE, I formation and were fortunate to be able to muster a first down at the end of the game. For a coach that is so determined to play an athletic QB, Miles refuses to run an offense that takes advantage of having a running QB.
Go back and watch the film from Saturday. Our success in the run game came when we spread the field, put Jennings in shotgun and created running lanes. One reason this was successful is because Wisconsin had to account for Jennings ability to keep the ball. However, as soon as we got the lead, we went back to the two TE, I formation and were fortunate to be able to muster a first down at the end of the game. For a coach that is so determined to play an athletic QB, Miles refuses to run an offense that takes advantage of having a running QB.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:30 pm to Dj-PQ
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Although Jennings looked terrible and couldn't complete a simple screen pass..
Dummy
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:30 pm to Dj-PQ
1) Part of the reason we excel in the fourth quarter is all the punishment we deliver running the ball in the first half.
2) Being predictable causes the defense to start cheating. When you are highly likely to run on first and second down, the play action becomes all the more dangerous.
Of course the key to all this is that you have to have a modicum of success while predictable.
2) Being predictable causes the defense to start cheating. When you are highly likely to run on first and second down, the play action becomes all the more dangerous.
Of course the key to all this is that you have to have a modicum of success while predictable.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:32 pm to Dj-PQ
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Play Calling Response Thread
Playing close to the vest until it was time. Do I wish we had A offense as good as A & M??? SURE. But why don't we... With ALL this so-called talent... Why can't Les and his VERY HIGHLY paid OC provide us with this?????
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:32 pm to ellessuuuu
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we went back to the two TE, I formation and were fortunate to be able to muster a first down at the end of the game
haha you're not going to spread people out in that situation. They know you are running. They'd love for you to take shots down the field.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:35 pm to C
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haha you're not going to spread people out in that situation. They know you are running. They'd love for you to take shots down the field.
Absolutely, they have to account for both Jennings and Hillard carrying the ball. Out of the I formation, there is no secret who is getting the ball. If you are going to play the athletic QB, take advantage of his athletic ability, even if it is just as a decoy.
BTW - everybody in the world knew Hillard was getting the ball on the 28 yd TD run. It didn't matter because they didn't have the bodies up the middle to stop him.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:36 pm to C
Just imagine how successful we could have been if we would have passed on first a few more times, ran play action with fournette and kept the defense on their toes. Thank you for your statistical homework, it helps put things into perspective. Yet, the fact of the matter is still.... We are dealing with play calling issues and lack of creativity, and I believe it is miles putting handcuffs on Cam. I honestly believe the win could have been by larger margin if the play calling was a little more creative and less predictable... Although I am still optimistic, I just hope tiger fans don't believe this kind of play calling will get ya past Alabama
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:37 pm to Dj-PQ
So the rant is now calling for bubble screens.
We have come full circle ladies and gents.
We have come full circle ladies and gents.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:37 pm to dukke v
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Playing close to the vest until it was time. Do I wish we had A offense as good as A & M??? SURE. But why don't we... With ALL this so-called talent... Why can't Les and his VERY HIGHLY paid OC provide us with this?????
Because that's not what LSU does. LSU and HUNH/Fast paced offenses are polar opposites in scheme. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:40 pm to Dj-PQ
It amazes me how many championship caliber, college football coaches post here, who truly understand all aspects of the game by watching lots of football.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:45 pm to C
I did my HW too...
On first down in the first quarter:
4/6 was a run: for a net gain of 3 yards
2/6 was a pass: for an 80 yard TD, and a 10 yard first down.
On second down in the first quarter:
4/4 was a run: net gain of 12 yards.
On third down in the first quarter; on 3rd down we averaged around 3rd and 6:
1/4 was a run: for a 1st down
3/4 was a pass: Pass high for Magee. Bad pass to Dural. Good pass to Quinn, good coverage.
1st Drive:
1st and 10: Hilliard run of 3
2nd and 7: Hillard run of 3
3rd and 4: Jennings run of 5; 1st down.
1st and 10: Magee run for 0
2nd and 10: Fournette run of 5
3rd and 5: Incomplete pass to Magee; Punt
1st and 10: Jennings to Hillard for 10 yards; 1st Down
1st and 10: Hillard for 3 yards
2nd and 7: Hillard for 2 yards
3rd and 5: Incomplete pass to Dural; Punt
1st and 10: Jennings to Dural for 80 yards; Touchdown
1st and 10: Jennings loss of 3 yards(run play)
2nd and 13: Fournette run of 2 yards
3rd and 11: Incomplete pass to Quinn; Punt
On first down in the first quarter:
4/6 was a run: for a net gain of 3 yards
2/6 was a pass: for an 80 yard TD, and a 10 yard first down.
On second down in the first quarter:
4/4 was a run: net gain of 12 yards.
On third down in the first quarter; on 3rd down we averaged around 3rd and 6:
1/4 was a run: for a 1st down
3/4 was a pass: Pass high for Magee. Bad pass to Dural. Good pass to Quinn, good coverage.
1st Drive:
1st and 10: Hilliard run of 3
2nd and 7: Hillard run of 3
3rd and 4: Jennings run of 5; 1st down.
1st and 10: Magee run for 0
2nd and 10: Fournette run of 5
3rd and 5: Incomplete pass to Magee; Punt
1st and 10: Jennings to Hillard for 10 yards; 1st Down
1st and 10: Hillard for 3 yards
2nd and 7: Hillard for 2 yards
3rd and 5: Incomplete pass to Dural; Punt
1st and 10: Jennings to Dural for 80 yards; Touchdown
1st and 10: Jennings loss of 3 yards(run play)
2nd and 13: Fournette run of 2 yards
3rd and 11: Incomplete pass to Quinn; Punt
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:46 pm to C
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Except that's just wrong. We ran more in the 2nd half than the 1st. We started about half our drives in the 1st half with passes.
Check the new post. I even posted every play of the 1st quarter.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:48 pm to Tigercoop40
Let's not forget the 1st half TD pass was into double coverage and Jennings threw it up for grabs!!
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:50 pm to Tigercoop40
4/6 in first half run. You're not even close
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:50 pm to tjohn deaux
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It amazes me how many championship caliber, college football coaches post here, who truly understand all aspects of the game by watching lots of football.
It amazes me how you don't realize you're on a MESSAGE BOARD where people give their opinions.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:50 pm to Dj-PQ
There are no cfb teams that run a lot of diff plays. Hell auburn won the sec running the same play 75% of the time. Its about execution.
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