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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:22 pm to BigEdLSU
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Lazy approach blaming the boogeyman.
So posting articles with interviews with physicians and medical research studies is "lazy"? ok And blaming the boogeyman? People have made it very clear who and what they're blaming for the rise in arm injuries across baseball. It's just not the LSU coaching staff that you want to blame.
If you actually paid attention to how Dunn and Mainieri manage the staff, you'd see they treat the staff with baby gloves more so than most. You see the pitcher for Northwestern St throw 120+ pitches in a midweek game in fricking March last week while Mainieri pulled Walker after like 50 pitches Sunday? Surely you did right? These reports of holding guys out with "soreness" you probably didn't hear about years ago because players weren't being held out for soreness. They just pitched through until their arms fell off. This is done as a precaution to prevent players from over-usage. shite, John Cohen was actually sued by a pitcher of his at Kentucky for having him pitch when he was hurt.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:26 pm to LSURussian
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why don't YOU provide data to support your claims?
He won’t because he can’t. There is no data that LSU pitchers are hurt more than the national average because they don’t get hurt more than the national average.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:28 pm to BigEdLSU
It’s been apparent for pages now that you’re simply trolling.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:28 pm to lsufball19
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So posting articles with interviews with physicians and medical research studies is "lazy"? ok
Oh didn’t you know? Science can be discarded when it interrupts you’re view on a subject
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:31 pm to ell_13
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It’s been apparent for pages now that you’re simply trolling.
It's abundantly obvious, yet everyone keeps replying to him so he's going to keep on doing it. He even admitted as much.
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You are so gullible
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:32 pm to deaux
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No. but thank you for continuing to show your complete ignorance of facts when it comes to college baseball.
Not only that, but the pitching coach at the time that happened was Wes Johnson. He went on to Arkansas and is not the pitching coach for the Minnesota Twins. So clearly he was doing something wrong.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:33 pm to MountainTiger
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yet everyone keeps replying to him so he's going to keep on doing it. He even admitted as much.
I like talking baseball and if it takes talking to a troll to discuss pitcher’s arms then I’ll do it.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:33 pm to CottonWasKing
What is the national average? Not saying I don’t believe you I’m just curious.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:35 pm to ProjectP2294
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Wes Johnson.
Isn’t he a big proponent for weighted ball training?
I know that in and of itself is pretty controversial. Some say it helps build up the muscles around the ligament to help protect the UCL others say it shreds the UCL.
I know it’s always scared me but I don’t know enough about it to have an educated opinion on the practice
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:36 pm to CottonWasKing
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I like talking baseball and if it takes talking to a troll to discuss pitcher’s arms then I’ll do it.
I guess that's a valid point.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:38 pm to MountainTiger
Gullible because you believe propoganda*
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What is the national average? Not saying I don’t believe you I’m just curious.
One of those articles said the national average as of I believe 2012 was one pitcher having TJ every 2-3 years. I believe we've had two pitchers have TJ surgery (Walker and Cartwright) the past 4 years. Labas had shoulder surgery. Gilbert had shoulder surgery. Storz was hurt before he stepped foot on campus. Newman had a back injury in 2017. Latz was hurt before he ever stepped foot on campus. McMurray was hurt before he ever stepped foot on campus. Hilliard has had soreness but not major surgery. Those are the pitchers who have had issues the past few years off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:39 pm to Jester
quote:Eh, don’t know about that. My dad was a pretty high level baseball player born in the 50s
Travel ball is ruining arms.
He used to pitch almost every game for his team, and that was the norm back then. He also was throwing breaking balls from the youngest age possible
Even with travel ball, these kids aren’t throwing as much as he and his peers did, yet there are more injuries today. I
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:40 pm to lsupride87
There are always going to be exceptions.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:42 pm to CottonWasKing
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Isn’t he a big proponent for weighted ball training?
He's a Driveline guy. Weighted ball being a part of that.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:42 pm to lsupride87
quote:Maybe some people are just guilt to be pitchers and their arms are capable of withstanding the abuse. Today everyone wants their kid to be a pitcher and they play baseball year round starting from like age 9. It’s just silly. Even if travel ball doesn’t kill kid’s arms it’s silly. And I’d argue it doesn’t make them better baseball players.
Eh, don’t know about that. My dad was a pretty high level baseball player born in the 50s
He used to pitch almost every game for his team, and that was the norm back then. He also was throwing breaking balls from the youngest age possible
Even with travel ball, these kids aren’t throwing as much as he and his peers did, yet there are more injuries today.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:43 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What is the national average?
I don’t know if that data exists across all of college baseball.
But 26% of pitchers in the mlb have had tommy john surgery and LSU has only had 2 players, that I can think of, since CPM has become the coach at LSU.
Which puts us nowhere near that percentage.
This is obviously discounting other injuries such as labrum tears or “soreness”. That data is practically impossible to find without a shite ton of research but I still think this gives us a good idea on where we stand.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:43 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:45 pm to lsupride87
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Eh, don’t know about that. My dad was a pretty high level baseball player born in the 50s
He used to pitch almost every game for his team, and that was the norm back then. He also was throwing breaking balls from the youngest age possible
There will be exceptions to every rule. If we want to throw out random examples, my grandfather threw out his arm at age 16 and never played again. He was in high school in the 1920s. We just didn't have the coverage back then than we do now so it's very difficult to go back and compare people who pitched 40+ years ago. Back then, however, the consequences of having a major arm injury were much worse than they are today. However, back then, baseball players also weren't playing year round like kids are now. Regardless of what sport you play, your body needs time to heal, but especially if you're talking about something like throwing a baseball which is an unnatural motion inviting injury.
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