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re: Paul Mainieri: When is his Seat Going to get Hot?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:43 pm to LSUgrad1998
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:43 pm to LSUgrad1998
quote:holy shite
Tony Robichaux at ULL to start
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:55 pm to CalRipkenJr
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please, provide a list of realistic BETTER options with an equal or better resume'.
I always hear this argument, and it's just as irrelevant every time I hear it.
CPM’s seat is not hot, nor is it ever likely to be. He’ll leave when he’s ready.
But he IS eventually going to leave. So when that time comes, then what? Are we going to get hung up on “equal or better resumes”?
Asking this question now is just kicking the can down the road.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:58 pm to Godfather1
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Are we going to get hung up on “equal or better resumes”?
I doubt the people only looking for someone with a better resume don't realize that Smoke had been to Omaha more times than Mainieri at the time we fired Smoke and hired Mainieri.
ETA: But I still enjoy asking who they suggest we replace him with as a litmus test of how much they pay attention to anything outside of LSU.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:01 pm to LSUgrad1998
When he doesn’t finish 2nd in the fricking nation.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:11 pm to Godfather1
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But he IS eventually going to leave. So when that time comes, then what? Are we going to get hung up on “equal or better resumes”?
If he leaves on his own --- most likely by retirement --- there is no need for this discussion. You go get the best available coach out there.
However, when it is suggested that CPM be fired for poor performance the equal or better resume question is legit. It may not be the only consideration, but when you fire a coach you want to be sure there is an upgrade. Anyone who follows LSU should be familiar with this issue.
The OP stated that CPM should be fired because he did not match Skip's record and had only one one NC in 12 seasons. Because CPM did not win 5 NCs in 10 years is a piss poor reason to recommend termination.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:16 pm to Macavity92
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The OP stated that CPM should be fired because he did not match Skip's record and had only one one NC in 12 seasons.
And that’s ridiculous. No one, here or anywhere else, is ever likely to achieve Skip’s record of success. The dynamic of the game has changed too much.
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Because CPM did not win 5 NCs in 10 years is a piss poor reason to recommend termination.
Agreed.
However let’s take a hypothetical: say Mainieri has another 2 seed somewhere else this year and goes 4 and out again. Then proceeds to go 30-26 next year, misses the postseason altogether and IS fired.
Again, I’ll ask: are we really going to get hung up on resumes at that point?
And yes, I realize I’m moving the goalposts a bit. The question stands.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:17 pm to LSUgrad1998
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Pat Casey-Oregon State, Gary Gilmore-Coastal Carolina, or Ray Tanner-South Carolina.
2 of these 3 coaches are retired from coaching. Gilmore is almost 70 years old and has been at Coastal 23 years.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:18 pm to LSUgrad1998
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Andy Cannizaro then.
the guy who's coaching in high school right now because no one wants him? No thanks
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:20 pm to LSUJML
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What do you think he brings to the table?
Well, for one, he's already eligible to start collecting social security, so maybe we can get a discount
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:22 pm to LSUgrad1998
Im not agreeing with him but Robichaux is considered one of the top pitching coaches in the country. Just saying... and yea go to hell ull
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:22 pm to Godfather1
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say Mainieri has another 2 seed somewhere else this year and goes 4 and out again. Then proceeds to go 30-26 next year, misses the postseason altogether and IS fired.
Again, I’ll ask: are we really going to get hung up on resumes at that point?
Well, not at that point I wouldn't think so because it's pretty obvious that his resume would have taken a huge hit in the past 3 seasons. As we stand right now LSU is only 1 game out of first place in the conference. Any discussion of replacing the coach at the midway point of conference play considering where we stand right now is ludicrous to me.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:25 pm to ProjectP2294
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But I still enjoy asking who they suggest we replace him with as a litmus test of how much they pay attention to anything outside of LSU.
And that’s where you have to look at factors other than W-L records.
Not all situations are alike. Say, let’s take Coach John Doe at U of BFE. He’s a fairly young coach who takes his team to 4 straight regionals (maybe advancing to one Super) while never advancing to Omaha...on 1/3 of the resources/budget available at LSU.
Sure, he doesn’t have CPM’s resume. Is he any less of a good candidate to replace him because of that?
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:30 pm to Godfather1
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Agreed. However let’s take a hypothetical: say Mainieri has another 2 seed somewhere else this year and goes 4 and out again. Then proceeds to go 30-26 next year, misses the postseason altogether and IS fired. Again, I’ll ask: are we really going to get hung up on resumes at that point? And yes, I realize I’m moving the goalposts a bit. The question stands.
You're moving the goal posts, but only to make a general point.
I would say that they need not have a better resume in terms of NCs and CWS trips --- those are hard to accomplish at smaller schools or schools with less support --- but the coach would need a record of sustained excellence. Some who is struggling to win conference championships in their own conference would not be a consideration.
CPM had 8 straight postseason trips and a CWS trip before LSU hired him. That would be the type of resume you are looking for.
Again, the only time to fire a coach, especially one with CPM's success, is when you can hire an upgrade. If you cannot hire an upgrade it is best not to fire the current coach.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:34 pm to LSUgrad1998
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Tony Robichaux at ULL to start
So just any coach that talks like us...
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:34 pm to lsufball19
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the guy who's coaching in high school right now because no one wants him? No thanks
He's actually the coach in waiting. He doesn't start coaching in high school until next season.
So it's even worse.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:50 pm to LSUgrad1998
Not this year. The “injury” excuse is already being parroted bigly.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:55 pm to joeytiger
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The “injury” excuse is already being parroted bigly
Do you think the injuries are fake?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:20 pm to Godfather1
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Not all situations are alike. Say, let’s take Coach John Doe at U of BFE. He’s a fairly young coach who takes his team to 4 straight regionals (maybe advancing to one Super) while never advancing to Omaha...on 1/3 of the resources/budget available at LSU.
Sure, he doesn’t have CPM’s resume. Is he any less of a good candidate to replace him because of that?
Maybe not, but when the time comes to find a new coach, I can guarantee you LSU will not go out and take a chance on a young up and coming coach but rather an established coach with a track record. With LSU still being the premier baseball program, they will not be in a position to take a gamble on a coach like you described.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:28 pm to ProjectP2294
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ETA: But I still enjoy asking who they suggest we replace him with as a litmus test of how much they pay attention to anything outside of LSU.
This is the problem. 75% of the people in this thread only watch LSU baseball and no jack shite about anything outside of it
People who suggest freaking Tony Robicheaux or Mike Bianco should be banned
My top 5 when PM leaves as of now would be
Tim Tadlock
Tony Vitello
Cliff Goodwin
Butch Thompson
Matt Deggs
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:31 pm to Midtiger farm
I've been keeping a running list of every coach I see suggested on here, worthwhile or not. I just added two new names to it from your list of 5. That's a good list, IMO.
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