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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:55 am to Stevo
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not pedantic at all. To state that the vast majority of D1 coaches control one side of the ball of the other is a gross overstatement. The vast majority manage the program and rely principally on their OC and DC.
That isn't what you said in the post I quoted. You said they "rely" on their coordinators. Of course they do. They rely on them to scout, gameplan, coach position groups, recruit, etc. even if they don't run a particular side of the ball. The issue is with "rely." You conflated "rely" with running a given side of the ball. Consider this clearing up the point of misunderstanding.
Also, one further point of clarification, I believe the original post stated the vast majority of SUCCESSFUL coaches run a side of the ball. That is a subset of the ALL D1 coaches you indicated.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:55 am to UpToPar
quote:Was listening to the Ole Ball Coach yesterday on Sirius, he said if you are an offensive minded head coach - you call the plays.
Jimbo runs his offense
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:00 pm to therick711
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That said, we should hope for more than a year at a time, if possible, though.
Lol like that's going to happen. Alleva doesn't know what the frick to do let alone Coach O.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:00 pm to therick711
quote:
Also, one further point of clarification, I believe the original post stated the vast majority of SUCCESSFUL coaches run a side of the ball. That is a subset of the ALL D1 coaches you indicated.
valid point. Though some like Sweeney have had recent success. There are very few home run coaches who run one side of the call. I consider Jimbo one such coach, though many are running him down because of this year.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:02 pm to massiveattack
I don't dislike Canada but I wanted Kiffin. I did. He and O would've gotten along. Guarantee we'd have a better recruiting class. The FAU thing still makes no sense.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:02 pm to Stevo
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Though some like Sweeney have had recent success.
Sure. We'll have to see what life after Watson brings for Clemson. Maybe a Bobby Bowden can still get it done in today's CFB landscape.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:06 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Nobody's "fault", really.
quote:
We just haven't executed a lot of what he wants to do
And who's fault is that exactly?
1. Offense learning a new scheme, takes a couple games to get things going.
2. QBs- Etling doesn't have an NFL arm, but has done a good job of picking up the system. Brennan might have that arm, but is a true freshman and has barely managed to see the field. Narcisse is another potential stud, but hasn't picked things up enough to merit playing at all this year.
3. Guice (our primary threat) has been injured over half the season so far.
4. Lots of new faces on the O line.
All of these seem to be resolving; Guice is back. The O line has matured. Etling seems to know his limits and the freshman are probably approaching where Etling was at the start of the season. The offense has an identity now, with Gage as the jet sweep guy, Chark as the deep threat, Sullivan as the big possession WR, D Williams as the hammer to complement Guice.
It would really suck if we lose Canada now, as I think this team would only get better offensively under him in the future.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:06 pm to therick711
quote:
Maybe a Bobby Bowden can still get it done in today's CFB landscape.
I'm curious as to how many of the head coaches of the current top 25 teams run one side of the ball. I honestly have no idea.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:11 pm to Stevo
Here's my best attempt at the exercise:
Alabama, yes
Miami, yes (Richt said his doldrums at UGA were the result of him ceding too much control.)
OU, yes
Clemson, no, CEO type
Wisconsin, probably yes based on reputation, but I'm not certain how Chryst does it
Auburn, yes, but he has been encouraged to cede control to focus on managing the game on game days
UGA, probably
Ohio State, almost certianly
ND, when Kelly can be bothered to do anything, he focuses on offense
OSU, yes
TCU, yes
USC, no idea
Penn State, wasn't he Friedgen's right hand man at Maryland? I think he's heavily involved on offense.
UCF, no idea
Wazzu, yes
Washington, probably based on his reputation at Boise
MSU, yes
Michigan, yes
Stanford, probably no
LSU no
Michigan State, yes
USF, no idea
WVU, yes
NC State, no idea
Alabama, yes
Miami, yes (Richt said his doldrums at UGA were the result of him ceding too much control.)
OU, yes
Clemson, no, CEO type
Wisconsin, probably yes based on reputation, but I'm not certain how Chryst does it
Auburn, yes, but he has been encouraged to cede control to focus on managing the game on game days
UGA, probably
Ohio State, almost certianly
ND, when Kelly can be bothered to do anything, he focuses on offense
OSU, yes
TCU, yes
USC, no idea
Penn State, wasn't he Friedgen's right hand man at Maryland? I think he's heavily involved on offense.
UCF, no idea
Wazzu, yes
Washington, probably based on his reputation at Boise
MSU, yes
Michigan, yes
Stanford, probably no
LSU no
Michigan State, yes
USF, no idea
WVU, yes
NC State, no idea
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:17 pm to Stevo
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I just don't agree that most D1 coaches control one side of the ball.
You should start thinking about all the P5 coaches.
I just started thinking about I'm having trouble thinking of many who don't control 1 side
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:25 pm to Stevo
quote:Most head coaches have an "identity" that translates to one side of the ball or another.
I'm curious as to how many of the head coaches of the current top 25 teams run one side of the ball. I honestly have no idea.
We don't even know if O has an identity. He's supposedly a D Line coach, and yet LSU hasn't had a great D line in a few years. We've had some good edge rushers, but it's not like the line has been an impenetrable wall.
Miles was an O Line guy with ties to Schembechler's Michigan power running schemes. Regardless of OC and line coach, we've had very solid O lines and a successful power running game every year he was here. When that has failed (Bama games) it was marked as a huge failure, because we expected it to approach 200 yds a game regardless of opponent.
Saban is a D coach, and generally speaking, any time his team gets over 20 pts you expect a W. Often enough, you expected a W if you can scrape out over 14 pts, because you just don't think his defense (no matter the coordinator) will get scored on much.
As I said, we have no idea how to define an Orgeron team. Nothing offensively is tied to him. Little defensively, unless maybe a good edge attack.
A talented roster is the most common response, but at LSU that's generally a given as long as you "keep the wall" up. Orgeron doesn't seem to be bringing in guys from outside that much, not yet.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:26 pm to frankenfish
Enos would
Be a great hire imo. He can score points and will simplify things for a young qb like Brennan. Utilized the screen game and RB’s and TE’s. Easy ways to get a young qb going.
Be a great hire imo. He can score points and will simplify things for a young qb like Brennan. Utilized the screen game and RB’s and TE’s. Easy ways to get a young qb going.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:30 pm to massiveattack
He'll be gone before bowl game. The rift between him and O is pretty bad an Canada wants out ASAP.
Talked to buddy that's close with someone in the athletic dept. I know, sauces! But he said that meeting with Joe wasn't pleasent. Basically, O and Canada cant stand each other. Also noted that Canada doesn't like living in La.
Talked to buddy that's close with someone in the athletic dept. I know, sauces! But he said that meeting with Joe wasn't pleasent. Basically, O and Canada cant stand each other. Also noted that Canada doesn't like living in La.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:31 pm to massiveattack
I call BS on the thread
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
What HC is successful with inferior coordinators?
Ideally your coordinators aren't more accomplished than the HC.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:48 pm to massiveattack
Losing Canada will hurt us. This would be a very good offense with improved qb play. We are better and it’s year 1. He called a lot of big plays correctly that Etling left on the table. Not bashing Etling but it’s true. So if ur rooting for him to be gone then don’t expect to have much of an offense next year. We will be starting over again. It would be nice to see Brennan or narcisse running tgebofffense after sitting and learning for a year and having everyone on the same page in general. Ending this early would be purely ego driven. I said it once and I’ll say it again, this type of coaching heirarchy won’t last. Not sustainable when ur head guy is the least valued commodity. I know that sounds like I’m gating on O. I’m not it’s just true.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:01 pm to ipodking
While I agree that his offense hasn't set the world on fire, the problem is our young offense will have to once again learn a completely new system. It took almost half a season of penalties and growing pains for our guys to pick up Canada's offense, and even now they don't have a complete grasp of it. If we have to change coordinators again we will be in worse shape next year because we will be learning a new offense with a much tougher early season schedule. I think what we need to get better as an offense is some continuity.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:24 pm to UpToPar
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This is why you dont hire a HC that relies on hiring and keeping elite coordinators.
Let’s be more specific.
This is why you don’t hire a HC who isn’t qualified to be a coordinator and is a career position coach.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:36 pm to classicgold
I don't believe that's a big problem. The struggle with Canadas offense was not only being a new, but mostly the Terminology. IT's been stated numerous times that the play call is lengthy, confusing the players.
Dash Rt 93 berlin
or
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which sounds easier? lol
Dash Rt 93 berlin
or
G 2 split flank fing 80 hot x Tennessee
which sounds easier? lol
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