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re: Ott and Hanny both just agreed Canada won’t be here next year

Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:40 pm to
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not true. The vast majority rely upon their coordinators.


And the very best coaches coach one side of the ball and provide an identity for their team.

So what do we want, to be like the vast majority or the very best?
Posted by Olivia13
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
Everyone assumes that Canado and O don't get along, and that may be true...but, to make a long story short...I was in the truck with a coaching friend of mine and he got a call from an LSU assistant coach basicly saying that Aranda and Canada are always butting heads at practice. Early in spring Aranda was trying to slow things down to teach all the new defensive guys at practice and Aranda kept motioning and changing sets giving Aranda fits. Canada wants to be fast paced and score quick while Aranda wants the offense to slow down and use clock to help the defense.

If true i side with Aranda on this one. I'll lose Canada to keep Aranda. IMO
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29126 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:07 pm to
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If true i side with Aranda on this one


whatever it takes to keep the professor happy
Posted by TiggerB8t
Member since Oct 2013
691 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:09 pm to
Canada can carry arse as far as I'm concerned -offense is still gimmicky and lacks a lot to compare to other high powered offenses. Seems to have a big ego and if he cannot get along with Aranda, all the more reason to let him go. His offense was horrible in the first 4 games - needed some call outs for dismal performances - blame O if you want but I was screaming thru the TV for something to change.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:17 pm to
Besides the possibility of having a 4th offensive coordinator in three seasons and needing to learn a new system, Canada hasn't done anything so revolutionary with this offense that him leaving would equal "code red" panic mode. He's been alright and called some good games but didn't prove to be anything special in year 1 so far.
Posted by thanksjhester
Sonic
Member since Jun 2009
5408 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:20 pm to
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This is why you dont hire a HC that relies on hiring and keeping elite coordinators.
And sometimes having a HC like Miles didn't matter if we had steve spurrier for a OC. Same old stale shite year in year out
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19261 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:42 pm to
IF Canada's this thin skinned...being this pissed that his boss tells him what to this ONE TIME as best can be determined, then factor in the fact that he's been fired or has left at least his last 3 jobs due to conflicts with his HC, and it seems obvious that the problem is more him than Coach O's ? All the ranters here are blaming the FIRST HALF of the Troy game. One half of "middling". Is this what sets Canada off? Screw him if true.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:47 pm to
Aranda is definitely more important than Canada imo. And O will side with Aranda 100% of the time. Has anyone noticed how O always mentions Aranda making adjustments or Aranda wked hard all week etc etc. But he never mentions Canada. Small stuff
But telling Imo.. hell O has mentioned every coach but Canada lol.. As far as I’m concerned Canada can take that scheme and go back north. I hate it for offensive recruiting but maybe for Brennan’s sake a new OC would be better. We want Myles in shotgun running west coast concepts and RPO’s etc. Or a more traditional style pro offense. Like a Dan Enos offense that utilizes screens to RB’s and Wr’s. He also uses the TE’s for plays other than the shovel pass. Or say screw it and give Hugh Freeze a 2nd chance. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:55 pm to
I agree. O can’t help it if Canada turns out to be a Little biiiatch. I mean can u blame O for wanting to change something? We got rolled up by state. Cuse Almost beat us and then Troy wins. Of course O will be scratching and clawing for something to change. And if it’s true that Aranda and Canada butted heads that to me shows he’s an arse. Aranda is very mild mannered. Canada can’t fit in anywhere so I’m not blaming O on this on if all this is true
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:01 pm to
Faaak that. We got the crap beat out of us by state. Cuse almost beat us and then Troy actually did beat us. O would be a fool not to re-evaluate and try to change something. Now I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that looking back now but at the time Any HC would be trying something different. And Coaches but heads all the the time. At least the good ones. If he’s gonna pout and leave over that well then he’s gonna keep getting ran off or leaving places every year
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16380 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:51 pm to
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Most head coaches have an "identity" that translates to one side of the ball or another.

We don't even know if O has an identity.


This point should not be underestimated. HCs who have an identity (attempt to) hire asst coaches and recruit players who are consistent with that identity.

Saban is the current gold std among CFB HCs. He's someone we're familiar with so he's easy to relate concepts to. When an asst leaves or when potential recruits are looked at, they are all evaluated relative to his "identity."

For now, no one really knows what Ed's all about. He waffles. As I recall, he favored a pro style before he preferred a spread before he almost lost both Lowell and Myles before he hired Canada. Make up your mind.

I'll help. LA (and our neighbor to the west), produces a mesmerizing # of talented WRs every year. They are a mismatch for any D backfield in CFB including Bama.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10435 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:05 pm to
Yes. Offense like Ned in the first reader. Made Miles's offensive scheme look sophisticated. This is just another example that Eaux learned little from his previous head coaching experiences. I pray that he turns out to be a recruiting god, but if he runs Canada off, he is just a fool.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10435 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:12 pm to
Good points. I wish we knew what really happened.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10435 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

The FAU thing still makes no sense.


Agree. Does anyone have any real information why he would go there...to CFB purgatory?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16380 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:52 pm to
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IF Canada's this thin skinned...


I think this is missing some of the point. Set aside personalities.

Apparently, Canada was given autonomy as OC. Then Ed rescinded it. First, that's dishonorable and second, it makes it an unnecessarily difficult situation for him to work as OC. Can Canada trust O at this juncture?

FTR, it's beneficial to both to reconcile their differences.

(why is this thread anchored - not on CC board?)
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19261 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 5:18 pm to
As best as can be determined, and ranters here are the ones selling this point, Coach O "rescinded" it once. For a half. Good Lord. That is "dishonorable"? Can Canada trust Coach O at this point? Who is the boss & who is the assistant? And as noted, this is not the first or second or third time Canada has had issues with his HC.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 5:24 pm to
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Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26614 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:03 pm to
If that happens and we don't go all in for a spread coordinator, I give up. That right there would prove to me that the HC doesn't care enough about beating Bama and stepping into modern football.

Even though I'm not sold on Ed at all, I think he'll make the right choice here if Canada leaves.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:33 pm to
I think he wants a good OC that fits at Lsu. I don’t think they have to be a spread. And now there’s so many versions. TBH I think O does want to go spread with a qb who can run a power out of shotgun sets. Not necessarily just read option. Kinda like Pete Carroll with Russell Wislon and Seattle Offense. O has followed the Pete Carrol style almost identically. But at end of day if a good OC comes with something different he would make the hire. The Canada offense would work well imo. It’s about Canada fitting in down n BR and if he meshes well with the staff etc.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:37 pm to
I wander If Ensminger stays the OC if we are 8-2 right now ? I wouldn’t give him state or Bama but ya never know if they would have just kept rolling from the bowl win into the off season if the offense would’ve been better early on instead of stumbling out the block. ??
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:38 pm
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