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re: Orgeron's trajectory since Ole Miss is super positive
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:00 am to Madking
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:00 am to Madking
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Each season no matter who the coach is should be approached based on realistic expectations that coincide with our roster + staff+ schedule not a pre ordained number
I couldn't agree with this more. People that say 9-3 is unacceptable are unrealistic. 9-3 shouldn't be the ceiling but for any given season it's ok depending on the circumstance and overall direction of the program. Miles should have be let go after 2015 not because he lost 3 that year but because it was the 4 straight year with 3+ loses. After losing at Bama he was embarrassed at home by a mediocre Arkansas team and on the road by OM. He was 14-10 in the SEC after 2012. In over a decade he did not recruit and develop a HS QB. In short the program was going sideways.
I won't judge O based on the results of this or any 1 season, unless as I said it is a total disaster. 9-3 this year would be ok, what worries me is 10-3 becomes a ceiling and people are ok with it. We should be competing for the SEC and in the playoff hunt more than once a decade.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:15 am to H-Town Tiger
I agree. What really needs to happen is more posters freaking out and doom and gloom about the season that has not even began. Lol
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:36 am to Space Cowboy
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Yeah, with Nick Saban's players and still had to get extremely lucky to back his way into that national championship game. Not to mention that he should have at least won one in 2006, the year before 2007 as well. Moreover, he blew another opportunity in 2011. Hence, that's why I say, had we had a decent head coach other than Les Miles, we probably would have won at least two more national championships if not more.
Post's like this just piss me off.
You're calling everybody Mile's arse lickers but you constantly go out of your way to twist facts to act like the guy wasn't a good coach.
Listen, go get your Saban pic and jerk off to it and shut the frick up.
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Yeah, with Nick Saban's players
Saban won a title in '09 with shula's players then. Eat a dick for always trying to use this an some kind of exuse.
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Not to mention that he should have at least won one in 2006,
Did Miles fumble against Florida? Nope, pretty sure that was Jamarcus Russel. I wanted him to play Flynn but would that have mattered, maybe, maybe not.
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Moreover, he blew another opportunity in 2011
Yeah, maybe, but LSU should never have had to play a team in their division that they beat on the road. Put that on the BCS.
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had we had a decent head coach other than Les Miles, we probably would have won at least two more national championships if not more.
Yeah and if Perilloux gets his shite straight LSU doesn't spend 4 years in qb purgatory and Miles doesn't get gunshy about letting his qbs play.
Who was LSU gonna have? What coach was going to be at LSU that could have beaten Saban consistently since '09. (Baman's first title year under Saban.)
As you may be aware, only 2 coaches have beaten Saban twice, neither coaches in the SEC anymore.
Urban probably has beaten him more than twice too, to lazy to check, but Urban was never gonna be at LSU either.
And watch what happens to your boy jimbo when fl st lines up against bama in a month.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:21 am to Space Cowboy
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Indeed, Coach O's Ole Miss record is more the university's fault than it is Coach O's fault. How many times have you heard that before? Never.
Please Explain!
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Coach O’s career actually didn’t start out all that bad as you haters like to intentionally present it way out of context
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However, in the case of Coach Cutcliffe, because the Ole Miss administration had been trying to get him to improve his recruiting for a while, they fired him
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So, the Ole Miss administration hired Coach O to rebuild the Ole Miss football program
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However, it wasn’t all bad for Coach O, as his recruiting was very excellent,
when Ole Miss' 2006 signing class ranked as high as fifteenth in the rankings
His 2007 recruiting class was also listed among the best in college football (#31 according to scout.com)
Oh, I thought his tenure at ole miss was a failure, I must be mistaken?
However, his recruiting success did not translate to on the field performance.
In 2007, Ole Miss was last in the SEC in scoring offense, turnover margin, rushing offense, rushing defense, punt returns, opponent first downs, red-zone offense, opponent third-down conversions, field goal percentage, time of possession and kickoff coverage.
The 2007 season was a historic one for Ole Miss.
The Rebels went winless in the SEC for the first time since 1982 – 25 years.
The Rebels, under Orgeron, ended the season at 3–9 (0–8 in SEC play).
BUT... BUT... RECRUITING!!!
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That’s why they say his tenure at Ole Miss was a total, complete, and utter debacle, when it wasn’t at all.
At Ole Miss, Orgeron recorded only two wins against teams with winning records
At Ole Miss, Orgeron recorded only two wins against teams with winning records
At Ole Miss, Orgeron recorded only two wins against teams with winning records
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Indeed, it’s not all Coach O’s fault his record at first glance at Ole Miss seems so damn bad.
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t’s the Ole Miss administration’s fault more than it is anything else because they pulled the rug out from under him before his contract was up and created the situation. However, you will never hear the truth if you listen to all the Coach O haters and detractors out here on the rant.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:39 am to lsu1919
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:59 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Gene Stallings, and he was a lot more successful at A&M than O was with the weebles.
You might want to check Stalling's record at T A&M. In seven seasons he was 27-45-1.
Stallings is a good example of coaches who start at a place like Ole Miss, or Texas A&M in those days. Another good example was a Coach Blanton Collier at Kentucky. He failed miserably at Kentucky but he left Kentucky and became the HC of the Cleveland Browns where he was extremely successful. He reached the NFL championship four times and won one.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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what worries me is 10-3 becomes a ceiling and people are ok with it.
Don't we worried about that. We were undefeated going into the National Championship game and people were grumbling. And rightfully so after watching that embarrassment of a performance.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:10 am to lsu1919
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you constantly go out of your way to twist facts to act like the guy wasn't a good coach.
Miles wasnt a good coach.
it's a fact.
deal with facts.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:12 am to CptBengal
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Miles wasnt a good coach.
it's a fact.
deal with facts.
Which means O is a horrendous coach. Got to love Facts.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:25 am to roygu
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You might want to check Stalling's record at T A&M. In seven seasons he was 27-45-1.
He did at least win a SWC title there. It's also worth noting in the 7 years between Bryant and Stallings A&M was awful, the best season was 4-5-1. OM did win 10 just 2 years before O was hired.
Also contrary to what was stated earlier Alabama was not terrible before Stallings was hired in 1990. Bill Curry was 26-10 in 3 years. He won the SEC and finished the 89 season ranked #9 after losing to eventual NC Miami in Sugar Bowl. He left over a contract dispute for Kentucky
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:27 am to Madking
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We didn't lose more in 2012 you gave the names of a backup de and a backup running back who never saw close to 200 carries in a season and only topped 100 carries once was losing more than Leonard Fournette and other STARTERS
we lost
Sam Montgomery( 2nd team all American 1st team all sec)
Mingo( 2nd team all sec)
Eric reid(all american)
Bennie logan( 2nd team all sec)
Kevin minter( all american)
that's more than this year.
also clapp was 1st team all sec on the COACHES all sec team. stop acting like he was the Athlon all sec team.
both boutte and clapp made an all sec team. to act like that isn't note worthy is showing bias. returning all sec olineman is noteworthy
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You're being lazy using cookie cutter blanket statements that are untrue. Dunno why you do that it comes off as preprogrammed rhetoric.
says the guy saying 1st team all sec olineman arent note worthy.
just admit youre down playing the returning talent because you like O.
and yes we did lose the best rb in lsu history but we replace him with an all sec rb.
and again, I admit we are losing lots of talent.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:30 am to CptBengal
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Miles wasnt a good coach.
it's a fact.
deal with facts.
Miles had. .770 winning percentage If anyone thinks he was a bad coach has a personal grudge against Miles, doesn't know anything about football or is a blithering idiot possibly all 3.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:31 am to lsu1919
what's really laughable is that miles took over a far worse situation at Oklahoma State than Orgeron had at ole miss and miles made that program respectable while O had the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:34 am to H-Town Tiger
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Miles had. .770 winning percentage If anyone thinks he was a bad coach has a personal grudge against Miles, doesn't know anything about football or is a blithering idiot possibly all 3
and yes we had lots of talent but every program that's a consistent power has talent. I don't think anyone disagrees that a better tactician wouldve won more than Miles with that talent but there is no guarantee that that talent is here without miles.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Completed your sentence
and yes we did lose the best rb in lsu history but we replace him with an all sec having most ypc last 2 yrs
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:38 am to Mayhawman
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Completed your sentence
I knew you were ready for the lateral.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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what's really laughable is that miles took over a far worse situation at Oklahoma State than Orgeron had at ole miss and miles made that program respectable while O had the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.
Interestingly, if you look back on Saban's tenure at Mich St he had 3 seasons with 6 wins, one with 7 and 9 wins his final year before coming to LSU. Who would have imagined that he would become the evil genius he is now? Dantonio, who took over after John Smith had a poor run at Mich St, has recorded 5 seasons of 11+ wins.
Miles won 57 percent of his games at Ok St (28W/21L) and Gundy has won 68% (104W/50L).
Both Miles and Saban were followed by coaches that achieved more success at their respective programs.
Their situations are obviously different from Orgeron. There is no legitimate defense for how badly the program performed at Ole Miss. Would that 4th year make a difference if he stayed? I doubt it because by O's own admission his approach to being a HC was wrong.
Can he be successful here? I do believe in right person, right job at the right time. Is he that guy? We'll see. I think Les was the right guy at the time because the team and program needed a players' coach after the authoritarian Saban left. If Miles had been willing to evolve his philosophy, he would likely still be our coach. Saban went through the same issue at Bama and swallowed his pride and committed to changing his offensive philosophy and the rest is history.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:35 pm to BayouCowboy
my post was in reference to space cowboy thinking les miles is one of the worst coaches in cfb and the notion that a bad situation makes it impossible for a coach to make the program better
I don't disagree with anything you said.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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my post was in reference to space cowboy thinking les miles is one of the worst coaches in cfb and the notion that a bad situation makes it impossible for a coach to make the program better I don't disagree with anything you said.
I know. I just like to step back and look at context of most situations. Sometimes I end up refuting my own arguments. It wasn't really a response to you, but taking your post to expand a thought.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Definitely hits the trifecta, and maybe the worst poster on TD, a distinction with loads of competition.
possibly all 3.
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