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re: Orgeron's record at Ole Miss is irrelevant
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Interim stints show how he performs with a full cupboard of talent. Which is what he will have at lsu. Ole miss was as talent barren as you could imagine cutcliffe has no recruiting ability.
Talent isn't anything without good coaching and a good foundational program. His Ole Miss years are far more indicative of how he runs a program. There is no debating this. This is a fact.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:32 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Why is it irrelevant? If you were given a list with 3 possible candidates for the LSU HC vacancy, and all it contained was their past bodies of work, no names and nothing about where they previously coached, would you really have chosen Orgeron over Fisher and Herman?
Newsflash for you... He was NOT chosen over Fisher and Herman. Pull your head out.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And no interim HC doesnt constitue running a program.
Agreed, Rick, and I've been saying this too, for a long time. Interim is more about keeping a team emotionally intact through the end of the season. O did that very well, but it's FAR, FAR different than running the entire program on his own.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I wish someone would tell me how the frick a dline coach is getting credit for out offense.
Should he not get credit for changing the offensive philosophy to one of playing to win and continuing to stay aggressive once up by a couple of scores? At times when you KNOW damn well Miles would have shut it down, played not to lose, and risked letting the opponent back in the game?
Or letting Ensminger do his job and encouraging some wrinkles to the playcalling by running some different plays out of the same old sets, which he had the authority to override if he chose to?
Please explain to me how he should NOT get that credit. I'll look forward to your reply.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:55 pm to Freauxzen
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His Ole Miss years are far more indicative of how he runs a program. There is no debating this. This is a fact
And again... It's been noted and he has fully acknowledged that he did a poor job there. IN HIS FIRST HEAD JOB EVER!!! 10+ fricking years ago you stubborn dopes.
Why do you whiners refuse to acknowledge that a coach can damn sure learn from his own mistakes and improve because of his willingness to accept it and strive to be better going forward.
Will one of you explain to me why it is so impossible to believe that he will be a much better head coach this time around???
Anybody???
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:32 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's mind blowing.
You have lsu posters touting how we looked on offense this year once miles was fired and in the same post talk about O getting a real OC. I wish someone would tell me how the frick a dline coach is getting credit for out offense.
Just to flip this even more, people saying LSU played Bama closer than anyone else. Well the defense was incredible. Aren't we all clear on the fact the Aranda is getting credit for the defense? Only other team not to score against Bama is Kent State.
Also, all the Belichick and Carroll stuff is garbage. Both did well where they were, and both were known, proven coordinators. As some people have pointed out, Ole Miss was better before and after Orgeron. This idea that nobody won at Ole Miss is silly. Even if that were true, he was the worst. Seems all these Orgeron fans like to flat out ignore facts.
Just to be clear, I like him and was all for keeping him on staff. Just not as head coach.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:34 pm to JohnnyU
Bull shite! O in over his head, just like Alleva
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:35 pm to Oyster
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Just look at Miles success running a Stone Age offense that absolutely never ever changed. Every team just ran the same defensive game plan against us. I just can't see how Coach O can't do better. Most any decent OC will be a vast improvement over what we had. O just has to keep the recruiting at a high level.
Once again, what's LSUs goal? Better then Miles or the best? I think we found out.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:40 pm to LSU Jax
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And again... It's been noted and he has fully acknowledged that he did a poor job there. IN HIS FIRST HEAD JOB EVER!!! 10+ fricking years ago you stubborn dopes.
I'm sorry, but don't coaches with great potential usually show it pretty early in their careers? Fist as coordinators, then as head coaches at smaller schools. Guy has only ever done anything as a position coach and interim head coach. That's it. That shouldn't get you the head coaching gig at LSU.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:43 pm to JohnnyU
Looks to me that he nailed it. You really are a bad poster
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:48 pm to semperfitolsu
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Everyone is getting older everyday genius.
My point.
Your head.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:52 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I'm sorry, but don't coaches with great potential usually show it pretty early in their careers? Fist as coordinators, then as head coaches at smaller schools. Guy has only ever done anything as a position coach and interim head coach. That's it. That shouldn't get you the head coaching gig at LSU.
Fair enough and thank you for an actual reasoned response.
I'm certainly not saying he'll be a big success without a doubt. Just that I firmly believe coaches can learn from previous failures. I'm choosing to be optimistic and hopeful that he has. As pissed as I get at times, I would imagine that most posters on here will be happy if he is a success.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:56 pm to Chrome
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didn't look at his stint at Ole Miss. He recruited well so what was his major problem?
Cutcliffe left him a shite show! The 3 years previous Coach O, I think the highest ranked recruiting class was mid 30's.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:58 pm to hesterhamma
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The 3 years previous Coach O, I think the highest ranked recruiting class was mid 30's.
The 3 classes O brought in were 30th, 17th, and 28th. Sounds like he didn't do that much better. I mean, the results speak for themselves.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:12 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Ole Miss was only two years removed from just getting beat out for the SEC title game by LSU on their 2003 NC run.
How was that 04 ole miss team that got cutcliff fired?? That program had absolutely no plan after Eli manning graduated. It was championship or bust with Eli. O took that over and was fired after 3 years. he did make mistakes during his stint there but nobody could've turned that program around in just 3 seasons. He recruited well and Houston nutt looked like a great coach.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:20 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I'm sorry, but don't coaches with great potential usually show it pretty early in their careers? Fist as coordinators, then as head coaches at smaller schools.
Exactly. Meyer is a good example. Blew it out every place he's been, but he didn't start at the top. First Bowling Green, then Utah (pre-PAC-12), then Florida, and now Ohio State.
Great coaches excel at every stop, of course with a few exceptions.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:20 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Ole Miss was only two years removed from just getting beat out for the SEC title game by LSU on their 2003 NC run. He recruited well, but couldn't coach his talent. So I wouldn't say it's irrelevant.
You are joking, right? They were two years removed from that because they had a two time Super Bowl QB. They were so bad the next year that they fired a very good coach who can win at Duke.
NOBODY has won at OM in the last forty years on a consistent basis. They absolutely love their coach now, who went 5-7 this year.
It's not the same. Isn't O 11-4 in his last 15 games when taking over teams that were so bad they fired their coaches mid-season?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:53 pm to TigerGA
quote:i didn't realize there are only 3 coaches in college football, & here i was thinking they have about 128, silly me
I still want to know who the O bashers wanted...because Jimbo was never coming and Herman got a better offer. So, who
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:59 pm to the crue
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i didn't realize there are only 3 coaches in college football, & here i was thinking they have about 128, silly me
You didn't answer the question, who should LSU have gone after because Jimbo and Herman did not want to be at LSU, notwithstanding delusional fans falling into the fallacy that Jimbo wanted to come back two years in a row.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:59 pm to TigerGA
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I still want to know who the O bashers wanted...because Jimbo was never coming and Herman got a better offer. So, who?
Finding a coach with an above .500 winning avg shouldn't be too hard
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