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re: Orgeron just now: “I finally see the offense I want”

Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:12 pm to
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admitted 2008-2010 had horrid years.



2010 was actually very good, 2009 wasn't terrible. Went 11-2 In 2010


But struggled vs Mcneese

But I'm not going to judge a team based on struggling to get up for an FCS school...

shite happens, you improve and move on
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 11:13 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:16 pm to
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2010 was actually very good, 2009 wasn't terrible. Went 11-2 In 2010 


Just meant the offense production.

I overstated miles struggling against scrub defenses.
Posted by HollyWoodCole
CA
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:19 pm to
I guess he was blind to Fournette, Guice, et al.

Prescriptions change, I guess.

Whatever.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:21 pm to
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Just meant the offense production.


It wasn't great but maybe the toughest team Miles put out there. Despite offensive limitations they found ways to win. Two losses were by 8 and 7 pts.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:26 pm to
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Say what you will about O, he’s at least willing to make changes.


I know people like to blame E, but Orgerons decision to build a new offense despite some limitations was the primary issue fomuch of the year. Definitely saw changes late in the year but out did struggle early

I do feel better coming into this year though and hope the staff sticks with it even if there's times of struggling
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:50 am to
So we finally have a 15 year old old Pac 12 offense!
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:53 am
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:04 am to
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 8:08 am
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:25 am to
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Why so mad?


He's sensitive ?

Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:26 am to
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You feel free to bash the players in an attempt to remove blame from O and the scheme. Its what you do.



If you call pointing out which positions need to improve and what they need to do to improve bashing players then I bash players. I call it being honest. This is football and it isn't for pussys. I guarantee that the players are aware of their limitations and are working to do better. You act like these players are fragile like ballerinas.

If you can't identify weaknesses and state what needs to be done to get better how can you expect anyone to get better?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:29 am to
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Miles had less trouble moving the ball at will against scrubs.


That's because his approach was 100% "I'm simply going to outman you".

Which, yields very consistent results when you actually have the best players on the field.

His problem was a near complete inability to scheme to take advantage of opposing weak areas or deal with opposing areas where THEY outmanned him.

You know I didn't support the O hire, but the jury is still out at this point as to whether or not O is at least willing to TRY and out scheme the other sideline.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:37 am to
I personally Think O is willing to try anything to win. My issue is that he seems to be throwing shite at the wall and seeing what sticks.

You can say “this is the offense I alwady wanted” but the hires make you wonder if he has any idea what thenoffense is.

Canada- not an RPO spread guy
E/Sullivan - hiring 2 guys with the average age of 65 to run a modern spread offense is perplexing
E/Brady- Brady finally makes the most sense.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:51 am to
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I personally Think O is willing to try anything to win. My issue is that he seems to be throwing shite at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Definitely have seen this the last couple of years. Honestly, he seems to be searching for an identity in terms of offense when he really should already have one.

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You can say “this is the offense I alwady wanted” but the hires make you wonder if he has any idea what thenoffense is.

yup.
You hired Canada and flat didn't like theTYPE of offense he ran which is just odd.

Then you hire a guy who has NEVER run an offense like you say you'd like to see

LSU isn't supposed to be an on the job training location.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:54 am to
I see Canada as a big name he didn’t very properly from both a football and personality standpoint or a guy he wasn’t committed to.

I see Last year as a case of picking the people he liked and hoping the football would work itself out.

Brady is the first hire that’s made real sense besides Cregg. He spent a lot of time reworking in zone balcokinf schemes which is important
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:59 am to
Orgeron just now: “I finally see the offense I want”


Does this mean we finally put points on the board against Bama and give them a game as opposed to shitting the bed and being frightened of them like normal?

It better, otherwise Ed will be despised more than Alleva and FKA.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:00 am to
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I see Canada as a big name he didn’t very properly from both a football and personality standpoint or a guy he wasn’t committed to.

Which frankly was professional incompetence

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I see Last year as a case of picking the people he liked and hoping the football would work itself out.

Which was possibly the dumbest non game day decision by a head football coach in football history. Certainly in the argument.

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Brady is the first hire that’s made real sense besides Cregg. He spent a lot of time reworking in zone balcokinf schemes which is important

Agreed.

I'm not 100% anti-O but the dude needs to start fricking remembering he's coaching at LSU........not some NAIA school. Save the "learning" and "hope" for schools that can't hire proven commodities
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:07 am to
I thinknif This works we’re in a good position going forward.

The whole “OC in waiting” idea didn’t make a lot of sense outside a very specific candidate.

Brady might be that guy. 28 is young. No experience at OC. Even in a best case scenario where LSU’s offense explodes, We can probably keep him 1-2 years of real success before he gets poached or we have to make him full OC.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:20 am to
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I thinknif This works we’re in a good position going forward.

The whole “OC in waiting” idea didn’t make a lot of sense outside a very specific candidate.

Brady might be that guy. 28 is young. No experience at OC. Even in a best case scenario where LSU’s offense explodes, We can probably keep him 1-2 years of real success before he gets poached or we have to make him full OC.


Yep

Honestly, I'm cautiously optimistic about next season. I think Burrow could very possibly pull a Mettenberger plus mobility. And, I think the defense has potential to be very good albeit I'm still not sold on our DL.

I have two big concerns still.

1. I'm VERY worried about QB in 2020. I think it could be another post Mett train wreck. In fact, I think that is VERY possible.

2. This season MUST bear fruit for O offensively or I could see us cratering on that side of the ball in a way that would be irrecoverable from short of ANOTHER coaching change at HC

And, while I wasn't happy with the O hire, I think his failure at this point could result in a VERY long road to recovery. So, I have to hang my hat on the possible positives
Posted by ScaryClown
Member since Nov 2016
5847 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:20 am to
How do you people continue to fall for this every year. Literally every year this shite comes out in the media and we see the same exact junior high offense. You will not see a change in the offense people, stop being so gullible.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:27 am to
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and we see the same exact junior high offense.


The offense at the end of last season was nothing similar to the offense of 2005-2016.

LINK

Repeating a falsehood is a ranter staple.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:29 am to
1. I actually Like Brennan. The weight issues are overstated. I’ve seen 180 point WR get laid out and not crumble into pieces. He should be be getting rocker 20 times a game in the first place. In a good system he will flourish.

2. If We aren’t good on offense this year there are gonna be some Major changes. Probably not O, but The Offenwive staff for sure.

I like Brady though. He reminds me of Aranda the way people talk about him. Cerebral in love with the game. The only knock is experience, and he’s not expected to carry the complete leadership load all at once. I have to say, I love the thoughtnpricesss behind the hire and I havent Said that a lot.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 9:31 am
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