re: Orgeron gets ZERO blame for current OL and QB situation

O should fire that guy who was Recruiting Coordinator.

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Miles also did not leave a 2017 team in bad enough shape to lose to State by 30

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Yes he did. Our DL was thin too. Plus Lawrence was out. And, then Alexander got hurt. And, Farrell was ejected. And, Key was in his first game back and very out of shape.

We were dominated on the lines on both sides of the ball. Midway through the 3rd quarter, that game got away from the team.

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he did. Our DL was thin too. Plus Lawrence was out. And, then Alexander got hurt. And, Farrell was ejected. And, Key was in his first game back and very out of shape.

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dint forget Herron

The rant was crowing about us having the best DL in the SEC this off season

See, the issue here is people want to sit here and meticulously dissect Miles an O. The fact is there is no comparison. O does not deserve the same treatment as Miles did because Miles had proven he could run a successful program. Both here and at OSU.

It's like people want to say "Well, this small little portion of our problems is not O's fault." If you believe even that, why does that mean he deserves any slack whatsoever? It's more believable that O doesn't know what he's doing. Prove me wrong in that. What has he done that says he's not causing some of these problems? Why did olineman leave? Why don't some know the playbook? Why have some digressed?

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Saban had built up a great reputation to anyone that knew football.

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Inside of football but the fans down here didn't know him from adam. How old are you because I remember very well.

Come on man, that 2008 team was not an overly talented group. I’d venture as far as to say it was probably the weakest team overall during Miles’ tenure. Acting like this team is so much weaker is disingenuous, they’re at worst equal. If you want to pretend that Miles sat back while his players pulled off a huge cone back in spite of him then it’s just a further indictment of O.

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And there was the whole "being a respected defensive coordinator in the NFL" thing

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34-24-1 in 5 years at Michigan State

Ok. The Saban and O comparisons have started. Thread is officially derailed.

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It's a problem no doubt. So bad that we should lose by 30 to State (when we had 9,000,000 penalty yards)

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If you think penalties are what cost us that game, you don't understand football. Obviously, the penalties are a reasonable criticism of the head coach...but we're having a bigger conversation right now, I think.

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lose by any number to Troy fricking state?

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We shouldn't have lost to Troy fricking state. But, if you are going to point a finger at WHY we lost, the biggest factor would have been the OL...which in addition to being below average was also beat up and didn't have Weathersby. It was so worrisome that Orgeron thought the young OL couldn't handle the shifts and changed everything up. Now, THAT decision is very reasonable to criticize. But, again, I think we are having a bigger discussion.

It's impossible to watch these games and not see that the OL is getting beaten consistently and the root of most of our offensive problems. The only way you come to the conclusion that the OL is "not that bad" is to ignore what you are actually seeing, and make some general comment about how we "shouldn't be that bad". You basically have to ignore what's self evident.

And, it's fricking stupid to do that. Because, it lessens the legitimate criticism of Orgeron as a head coach.

The OL is a huge problem and it's not really Orgeron's fault.

The attrition isn't really Orgeron's fault either. That's the cost of making a change at HC. You don't fire a HC with no fallout. It's not reasonable to blame Orgeron for that.

The staff Orgeron put together? Yup. The coaching decision he's making? Yup. His resume? Yup. His inability to effectively communicate? Yup. The lack of respect he commands from his assistants? Yup. The inability to keep Alleva out of the program? Yup. His inabilty to instill confidence in the program? Yup.

HIS ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND SELL THE PROGRAM TO THE NEXT GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS? That's the big question. If he can't do that, every second he is head coach kills us.

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There is absolutely no reason for optimism like there was in 2000. Like I said previously, anyone who knew football knew Saban was a known commodity, a brilliant defensive mind and a guy who turned a Michigan State program in the dumps

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My point is where did this optimism come from? Most people were like here we go again when we lost to UAB. It wasn't until the Tennessee game that people started acting like we could be good.
The only comparison I'm asking for is the atmosphere around the program. The only difference from now and 2000 is LSU fans are used to wining unlike in 2000 when losing was kinda the norm. In 2000 8-4 sent people to states of euphoria now in 2017 8-4 would be reason to jump off the bridge. 2000 not spoiled 2017 spoiled as frick. We need to understand our situation better.