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re: Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:13 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:13 am to Topwater Trout
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answer the question
You're wasting your time with that clown. He can't read for shite and even if he could you wouldn't get a coherent thought out of his head.
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:13 am to Madking
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Think about it like this, the 1997 Florida upset we beat the number 1 team right? We celebrate that victory every 5-10 years but Florida didn’t finish number 1 that year. It doesn’t take away the fact that we beat the number 1 team though right? You can’t hold us accountable for how another team finishes, we can only play them that one week when they’re ranked at that particular spot.
It was a "a win over the #1 team at the time," it was not "a win over the #1 team," if that makes sense. The #1 team in 97 was Nebraska.
These classically understood definitions wouldn't be a problem if people were being honest about O. But they aren't, so here we are.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:16 am to bencoleman
I already answered it you moron. You don’t even read the threads you just jump in tell lies and make shite up. You people are the dummest human beings on earth and that’s no exaggeration. If you’re not teenagers you have double digit IQs guaranteed.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:20 am to Freauxzen
No it’s a win vs a number 1 team and would count as that on the resume. By punishing us when they drop after we beat them you’d be encouraging us to lose the game so that our opponent can keep their ranking. You can’t do that but if the team continues to drop you get hurt on the schedule strength. This just goes back to the point that polls don’t carry as much weight as the downsie group says they do.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:22 am to Madking
So, what if we play a team ranked 24 in week 1 and they finish in the top 5? Do we say that we beat the 24th ranked team or a top 5 team?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:29 am to TigerLunatik
Wins vs top 5-25 teams are recorded on record just like wins and losses. We would have a win vs a top 25 team but you could say we beat a top 5 team. It wouldn’t register as a top 5 win on our resume. For example if the committee is reviewing our resume for a playoff selection it’s not a top 5 win but it looks good. This is the point about the polls, they’re fluid and subjective, they’re opinion polls. The committee looks at measurable data to make their choices not polls. Of course they pay attention to who’s ranked where and who beats the top teams but the poll itself isn’t part of the final equation. You have your record, your schedule strength, conf standings. Then they look at stats, yards per play, scoring, 3rd down pct adjusted yardage and all the other analytical data. They don’t base choices on opinion polls. This stuff is all out there for public consumption but the cheerleaders don’t want to look at that or for anyone els to look at that. They hate facts or data of any kind because they can’t bend or twist facts to fit their narrative.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:37 am to TigerLunatik
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So, what if we play a team ranked 24 in week 1 and they finish in the top 5? Do we say that we beat the 24th ranked team or a top 5 team?
I'd imagine some of these posters had the foresight to say in September 2013 : "LSU beats national runner up Auburn convincingly."
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:38 am to Madking
We beat the number 1 team in 1997. I don't think we beat the number 1 team in 2011...some of our fans will say we did beat the number one team in 2011.
Look at it this way if we beat Auburn when they are unranked and they finish 8th it isn't a top 10 win.
Look at it this way if we beat Auburn when they are unranked and they finish 8th it isn't a top 10 win.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:44 am to Topwater Trout
Exactly in 1997 when we beat Florida that’s a win vs a #1 team, when we beat Bama in 2011 they were #2 so we didn’t have a win vs a #1 team. If you look in our media guides at least the last one I had they record these things and it also goes on the coach’s record. Like you’ll find wins vs top 1-25 teams so it’s not really open for debate they record it as such. When you play a team what they’re ranked when you play them is how it’s recorded for you. It wouldn’t be fair to us if that team drops because it has nothing to do with us and it doesn’t change the challenge we overcame that week. Basically you can’t punish or reward us for things that happen outside of the week we played whichever team.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:47 am to Topwater Trout
I mean you can say we beat the team that finished number 1 but we didn’t beat them as #1 and it’s not recorded as a win vs a #1 team. The fact that it’s kept on record proves there’s only one way it’s viewed.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:50 am to Madking
But posters have argued it shouldn't work that way is my point. I think it's when you play a team and like you say we can't help what happened to them the rest of the way. Bama beat top 3 FSU to open last year and knocked out their QB and they went on to have a 6-6 season...I doubt any of their fans belittle that win vs a top 5 team.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:54 am to Topwater Trout
No you’re 100% correct here and I’ve argued with people who’ve said the same thing. But like I said college football keeps a record of LSU vs top 5 teams vs top 10 etc. etc. it also goes for coaches too and it goes by what they’re ranked the week we play them. I mean the week we play them we are getting ready for a top 5 team, we have no idea what’s going to happen 6 weeks later so it shouldn’t factor into that matchup.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:55 am to Topwater Trout
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Look at it this way if we beat Auburn when they are unranked and they finish 8th it isn't a top 10 win.
It seems like more of a top 10 win than beating them when they’re 8th and they go in to lose 4 more games.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:56 am to Topwater Trout
You can find Steve Spurriers record vs top 5 teams, they show that kindve stat during games all the time and it’s recorded by when those teams played each other not by their final ranking. So if the NCAA records it that way then that’s how it should be judged.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:58 am to SammyTiger
Well you still get credit for it in your strength of schedule. So it’s not like you’re being robbed or credited unfairly. It evens out in the end.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
Think about it this way, when we went to Auburn this season and they were ranked high, wasn’t that game pressure packed? Didn’t it seem like their was a lot on the line? It’s because there was and you can’t duplicate the sircumstances. Now if we play them later and they’re struggling, everything changes even how the coaches look at it so it makes a big difference. What if Auburn had beat us and theydve had more to play for in some close games down the road, would that experience and confidence and urgency play a part in whether they win or lose closer games the rest of the season? But we took that from them when we kicked em out of their spot and it takes a lot to do that, so you can’t punish us for doing that.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:11 pm to SammyTiger
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It seems like more of a top 10 win than beating them when they’re 8th and they go in to lose 4 more games.
I believe some teams lose a game and have a hard time over coming that loss. I think that could have been the case with Auburns loss to us this year. Had they win we will never know if they go on to win 10-111 games or not. So when we do beat a team that is ranked you just never know if we exposed them or they had a hangover after our loss. It happened with us after bama in 2015 and we went on to lose 3 in a row...I think we were probably a top 10 team but we just had a hangover after the bama loss.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:12 pm to Topwater Trout
In a very hypothetical sense you’re right, but at the same time, good teams tend not to just torpedo after their first lossZ
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:12 pm to Madking
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So if the NCAA records it that way then that’s how it should be judged.
completely agree
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:18 pm to SammyTiger
But what that team does after they play us shouldn’t affect what we accomplished that day. That day we faced the #7 team in the country, a team that beat an eventual Rose Bowl participant the week before, and we beat em. If we lose to them and they move up is that a better outcome for us? Because that’s the only other outcome besides us beating the #7 team and them dropping. So we beat them they drop and we don’t get credit? How is that fair or makes sense?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 12:21 pm
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