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re: Orgeron and/or Alleva need to clarify Canada situation
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:47 am to paper tiger
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:47 am to paper tiger
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Orgeron and/or Alleva need to clarify Canada situation
They really don't. It's appropriate for this situation to be handled on a schedule that the program feels is best for the program.
Orgeron may not have the power to fire Canada and eat his salary. He may be giving Canada room to find another job while still employed. Or, he may be waiting to sit down with Canada and discuss their future and issues they've had.
The bottom line is that, this is one of the times when we need to expect to not have clear information.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:48 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
You are 100% correct. Other people are dumb.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:48 am to nitwit
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When Orgeron's comments are immediately accompanied by by a suspicious groundswell of anti Canada comments on this site from seldom- heard- from posters, one can draw a much more negative inference about Orgeron and his intentions.
He can be plausibly depicted as setting up Canada for failure and fan distrust. This would be consistent with the manipulative behavior some described last year, when (according to those stories) Orgeron started undermining Miles while still on Miles' staff with Alleva and BOS.
I don't know if any of this is true, but it has my attention and I am concerned about it.
I swear some of you enjoy drama more than teenage girls.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:50 am to lsupride87
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Just when he was starting to win me over slightly, he goes and does that
He's too transparent for his own good.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:51 am to paper tiger
It's our over reacting woman like fan base that needs to understand when you have top flight coaches people will interview them for their openings. If you have the best people you need to understand that others will try to recruit them. It's a part of business that so many of you seem to not understand.
If anything O is being a good leader by listening to what Canada's career goals are and helping him to achieve that. If Canada wants a lower/mid tier head coach gig then O just did him a super high favor by letting it be known. No one said he take the first offer given.
Y'all just get your panties in a wad over every little thing.
If anything O is being a good leader by listening to what Canada's career goals are and helping him to achieve that. If Canada wants a lower/mid tier head coach gig then O just did him a super high favor by letting it be known. No one said he take the first offer given.
Y'all just get your panties in a wad over every little thing.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:56 am to Im4LSUnTN
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I generally like openness and transparency in leadership style. However because of recruiting, excellent HCs are very tight lipped about this sort of thing. It's is a great example where Coach O opens his mouth "half way"...says something with with honest intent to be transparent when he needs to be very selective and more purposeful in what he wants to share. He HAS to get better about communicating with a purpose.
Great post
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:59 am to LSUGrad9295
It's not about making sure the fans or media know every little thing. It's the impact on recruiting that you should be concerned about.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:00 am to ipodking
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This fanbase is full of fools. Canada is looking for a head coaching job. This is no secret and has been reported by multiple media outlets.
Did anyone report this before o's comments? Never saw anything posted, got a link?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
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I am literally shocked at how fricking dumb those comments were by Orgeron
Not surprised at all. O will be O.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:10 am to LSUGrad9295
Spot on.....
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:15 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
The key phrase wasn't "I hope he gets a head coaching job", the key phrase was what he started with, "I have been around a lot of programs with great offenses, and I will find a guy to run an offense that I like. I have a guy like that in Steve Ensminger..."
Maybe not the exact quote, but something similar. Add in the fact that for the past month Orgeron is always praising the great job that "Aranda" did (for the previous game) while Orgeron never mentions Canada by name. When speaking about offense Orgeron says, "the offensive coaches".
Maybe not the exact quote, but something similar. Add in the fact that for the past month Orgeron is always praising the great job that "Aranda" did (for the previous game) while Orgeron never mentions Canada by name. When speaking about offense Orgeron says, "the offensive coaches".
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:16 am to paper tiger
Canada is only leaving for a head job. He ain’t getting a head job until he shows stability. We aren’t firing him
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:20 am to paper tiger
We don't know that O and C got in a fight. That was strictly message board rumors, repeated enough times until it became the truth.
We don't know what happened at the meeting between Aleva, O and the coordinators. We were playing bad ball and it may have simply been a wtf? meeting. Rumors said it was about the fight enough times to make it true.
Drunk interpretation of a simple answer has taken this whole thing down a spastic rabbit hole. O may have simply meant that Canada is a talented mother fricker and he is sure many teams will be contacting him. Internet speculation about what the words may have meant, along with repeating the wrong speculation 1000's of times is creating truths that may have no basis in reality.
The Russians may be influencing this through a tremendous PR campaign and the fans are sucked right in. While stupid, repeat that 1000 times as the truth and see if it grows legs.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
We don't know what happened at the meeting between Aleva, O and the coordinators. We were playing bad ball and it may have simply been a wtf? meeting. Rumors said it was about the fight enough times to make it true.
Drunk interpretation of a simple answer has taken this whole thing down a spastic rabbit hole. O may have simply meant that Canada is a talented mother fricker and he is sure many teams will be contacting him. Internet speculation about what the words may have meant, along with repeating the wrong speculation 1000's of times is creating truths that may have no basis in reality.
The Russians may be influencing this through a tremendous PR campaign and the fans are sucked right in. While stupid, repeat that 1000 times as the truth and see if it grows legs.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:21 am to tigertex1992
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Maybe Orgeron is just clumsy when it comes managing his communications to the media.
That's possible, and that's a problem. His comments can be used against him by more savvy head coaches in the conference.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:22 am to OceanMan
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Did anyone report this before o's comments? Never saw anything posted, got a link?
Canada interviewed for the ECU hc job 2 years ago before taking the Pitt OC job. He interviewed for the WKU hc job last year before taking the LSU job.
It's no secret what his intentions are. It's been discussed on local talk radio. They brought the topic up again last week which is most likely what led to someone asking Coach O about it. A simple google search confirms his previous interviews.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:22 am to Hangit
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We don't know that O and C got in a fight. That was strictly message board rumors, repeated enough times until it became the truth.
It wasnt message board rumors. It originated from an Explayer Tweeting about it. The Rant didn't come up with it.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:28 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Agreed. It is not as if he came up with the comments just out of nowhere. A reporter asked, specifically, about 'what would happen IF Canada took a HC job'.
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Now, we can all suggest we'd prefer he give "coach speak" answers like "we are preparing for a bowl game" , "I'm not speculating about the future", etc.
Yes, he would've been well advised to answer the question in that manner. There was zero upside in him answering the question in the manner that he did. Any coach competent in media relations would approach a question with the mindset of "how will this be interpreted and can it be used against me?"
No catastrophe syndrome here. He just doesn't think before he speaks a lot of the time.
"Not speculating about the future" or "As far as we know, Canada will be with us going forward." Perfect answers that shut down all of this talk.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:28 am to Greace
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It originated from an Explayer Tweeting about it.
Are we sure the twitter account was legit? Are we sure that the ex player really had access to the information put out?
If so, it may be that one small part is true. The rest is still fueled by speculation and mass repeating of errant information. Is there any proof that any of this is true?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:32 am to paper tiger
I agree with one of the post - That O is tone deaf. He has as much tact as a bear. He is not the answer. IF it wasn't for his "BINDER" and Aleva and King we might have a coach with more than 3 brain cells. They were hoping for a Clemson situation, but i can only imagine having to work with O and explain things over and over. We've probably all worked for people you don't respect and you KNOW you're smarter than. Thats our Cords.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:38 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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catastrophe syndrome
That's the phrase I've been trying to come up with. That's exactly what is going on with tRant - Catastrophe Syndrome.
I remember when Saban first got here, he called it the "brook trout look". Saban was like WTF is wrong with these people!
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