re: Opinion on Coach O

The silver lining is Joe Burrow loves LSU and without a doubt will be back at some point after the season ends and he begins his professional career.

Buckeye is likely to find himself in prison when Joe’s professional team finds him hiding in the bushes after sending threatening letters to ownership and coaches about the lack of jug machine being used to help Joe Burrow.

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So let’s see-you’ve bashes O and Woodward because there aren’t enough or at least not enough access to these machines. You’ve bashed Moffitt for the same reason yet O thinks highly of Moffitt so by dumping on him, you’re dumping on O.

You say you’ve been to an LSU game, when asked to prove it, you tuck tail and run. Is that about right?

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In your pathetic little bird brain, I'm sure that is your reality.

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Woody is simply the one who holds the coaches accountable. They slip up or don’t meet his high expectation level, then they are dealt with accordingly.

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Based on how Oeaux is recruiting since WOODY came on board I would say his message has been received, loud and clear. No more lolly-gagging on the job. WINNING only

Pretty much. All coaches from top to bottom know that if they don’t get it done, their arse is grass.

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This is a fact. Dozens upon dozens of posters have complained about the 2006 season being a disappointment and that Miles and that years team underachieved.

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Sorry...I'm a late arrival here. I did this weird thing where when I saw this 30 something page thread I decided to go back form page one and READ IT before getting involved! Which was hard, because we had someone back at around page 15 who started with the "underachieving" thing for Miles...which has been a talking point for me.

He's right and more honest than most of the guys in this thread. Back then, guys like him WERE the majority it seemed...bitching about how Miles was "underachieving" with what he had. There was no interest in accepting 10 win seasons as nothing to complain about, just what we'd FAILED to do. Not what we'd actually accomplished.

So when people start talking about why Miles was fired and start to suggest it was the final 9 games...please see that for the pile of horseshite it is. Miles was fired because despite going 44-9 from 2010 through 2013 guys like the guy in this thread who said Miles had underachieved had helped to convince far too many that those years were ultimately faulures. 11-2, 13-1 with an SEC Title and NC Appearance, 10-3, 10-3...failures.

When 8-5 rolled in for 2014 it was seen as the culmination of all that underachieving rather than only his second 5 loss season in his entire tenure. It's also what lead to a total collapse in the fan base after the 3 game slide at the end of the 2016 season when we'd started #6 and had risen to #2 in the first CFP poll. The fact that even with the slide we ended at 9-3 (missed on the certainty of the 10th win against McNeese) meant nothing...we'd squandered another opportunity for hardware.

But think back. What if the narrative had been different. What if during that run fans had been...happy? What if going 44-9 over 4 seasons with an SEC title and NC Appearance to finish off one of the greatest seasons ever didn't cause fan to be apoplectic? 8-5 would have seemed like the blip it was...and 2015 would have looked like a typical 9-3 type campaign. And 2-2 would not have been seen as the end of the world that required a move mid season...even if you began to start the process of thinking about a replacement if things stayed stagnant the rest of the year.

None of that is to suggest that Miles needed to stay. As much as I liked the guy and have defended his time here, I was ready to move on after the first few offensive series against Whisky in 2016...though at the end of the season AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH FOR A COACH WHO WAS QUALIFIED FOR THIS JOB. It's just to point out the glaring double standard we have on our hands here now. From 2010 through 2013 a record of 44-9 with a title and a NC loss was reason to drive LSU fans insane and set the stage for what ultimately happened at the taile end of Miles' tenure here. And now...a 9-3 regular season with a blowout loss to BAMA at home and a bowl win over an AAC team is reason to start suggesting we're back at the top of college football.

I'm not sure why these guys just won't own the double standard. Denying it only makes it worse.

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The 2006 team did underachieve.

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Therefore one would conclude there is no excuse for the 2019 team for potentially losing two big games on the road? Keep in mind I mentioned 2006 as a retort to the suggestion that it ought not be considered underachieving this season if we lose to UT and BAMA since both games will be on the road to potentially Top 5 teams when we play them. That was exactly the situation we found ourselves in back in 2006.

Or...are we going to suggest that it was underachieving for the 2006 team but not for the 2019 team if things would play out that way? If so, why the difference?

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Based on how Oeaux is recruiting since WOODY came on board I would say his message has been received, loud and clear. No more lolly-gagging on the job. WINNING only

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If I'm not mistaken we had either the #1 or #2 class for 2020 before Scott was hired. Either way, I don't see Scott as an oppositional force to O, but moreso another piece of the puzzle through fund support, personnel acquisition, logistics and fixing an unsupportive compliance system.

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I’m not disagreeing with you.....we may very well lose to Texas and Bama.... which IMO would be underachieving..... what scares me is how(if we lose to Texas) is how this team responds.....

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You've already claimed that Texas will clobber LSU. What scares me is how YOU will respond when LSU beats the crap outa Texas on their own home turf.

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It's just to point out the glaring double standard we have on our hands here now.

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So let me get this straight. You think 2014 was the culmination of Miles’ slippage. Who was then allowed to lead the program for 2 more seasons.

And you think that the standard once set does not need to be repaired? That whomever the new coach would be would have to hit these mythical standards right off the bat? Lol. And you think this is rational thought?

I’d argue that Miles lost the reigns on this program even earlier than that. So you have a coach lowering standards with every underachieving season. You had what was poor & uneven depth for what a contending SEC team needs. No QB or successful offensive system . Team morale was stale.

There’s no double standard. I wouldn’t expect any coach to jump in and hold them to a standard that had already been lowered over multiple underachieving seasons. That is unfair & irrational but hey why let that stand in the way when you dislike the coach they picked