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re: Opinion on Coach O
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:27 pm to earl keese
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:27 pm to earl keese
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here on the rant about how this years team will be the most talented team we've ever fielded.
Never seen one of them.
It will be one of the most experienced, which is why people are so optimistic
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 5:28 pm
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people were pissed at Jimbo, not Les.
The head coach is the responsible party for all things involved within the football program. I'm not sure if you were aware of that.
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You can relax now.
Gosh, good to know Rodge. 
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Never seen one of them.
Of course not. This doesn't surprise me a bit either.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:29 pm to earl keese
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The head coach is the responsible party for all things
"Ultimately" yes
Are you saying Les underperformed?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:30 pm to Lester Earl
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You are confusing me, because judging by your last post you seemed to have thought Miles was justifiably fired. Truly hard to tell when you start citing W/L records with zero context.
I'm sorry you're confused. I, personally, was ready to move on from Miles after the start of the Wisky game in 2016 when it became apparent that we were not going to change the offense. I made this decision NOT because he his desire to not change the offense was going to make watching games less fun for me, but because by that point I think we'd come to the conclusion that without changing the offense to better utilize our skill players we were going to perpetually run into issues with teams with equal or better talent who would simply stop our one dimension.
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It was not a full fledged rebuild, but the program surely wasn't as stable as it was 10 years ago, through no ones fault other than Les Miles. Not the fans, or O, or anyone else
We were ranked #2 going into the BAMA game in 2015. We did not lose that game and the following 2 because the program was unstable or lack of talent anywhere but QB.
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As far as the quote, Ive followed sports long enough, I do not fall for coach speak & i understand how to read between the lines. If that is what you are hanging your hat on...what Coach O may have said at his introductory press conference, then that is on you.
No...I'm hanging my hat on the fact that we hired a career DL coach to replace our most storied coach in the history of the program at a time when the right hire would not require some long rebuild. We hired a guy that No ONE thought warranted a call to interview for a head coaching job anywhere to replace Miles. Call it reading between the lines, but anyone who think we made that hire because we thought that Ed Orgeron was the man to rebuild this program...given that he'd never built a program, let alone even run one well on his own...makes no sense at all. His hiring is what makes this not a rebuild in any way.
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Think even harder about how he was afforded more rope than one should have because of his past successes.
What rope?
He went 11-2 in 2010. Not good enough for many.
He went 13-1 in 2011 with an SEC Title and a loss in the NCG. Many still declare this as the end of the program era.
He went 10-3 in 2012. More failure.
10-3 in 2013. Again...nothing but failure.
Went 9-3 in 2014 (but let's be honest it's 10-3 without McNeese cancellation) and was as high as #2 before the wheels fell off for those three straight losses. Almost got fired at the end of the season and only intervention by the governor stopped that.
Fired after going 2-2 in 2015.
What rope? You act like these are terrible seasons...I say that they are exactly the type of season many here are now lauding.
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With that in mind, you are seriously going to sit here and compare the positioning of the program in 2010-2013 to what it was when they had to fire its most winningest coach?
LSU was ranked #2 going into the BAMA game in 2014. We did not get there by accident, and we did not suddenly become horseshite afterwards. This poor mouthing to suggest that Ed has been dealt a bad hand by having to be LSU's coach has to stop.
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Bro, in 2011 LSU fielded its best team in program's history. In what world does anyone think that is underachieving ???
Ask here...I'll wait. No one is happy about 2011. And I don't just mean disappointed in what could have been...I mean ANGRY to this day about it.
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How can anyone sit here and try and draw parallels from that season to Y1 or Y2 of a brand new coach taking over a program that had to fire its most winningest coach?
I'm not drawing a comparison between 2011 and 2017 specifically, dum dum. I'm drawing a comparison between any one of those years from 2010 through 2013. Hell...you don't like 2011 being included...remove it. My point still stands. Why is 10-3 in 2012 and 2013 so obviously underachieving but 10-3 now is some huge accomplishment?
Because the goal posts have been moved.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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He went 11-2 in 2010. Not good enough for many.
What? People were thrilled with 2010.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:33 pm to earl keese
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Why am I not surprised that you don't understand that all I was asking for in that post was that people be consistent.
Literally my entire point with all of this.
Just be intellectually honest...that's all.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:34 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Just be intellectually honest...that's all.
Did you criticize 2006?
Only an idiot really would
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you saying Les underperformed?
I was satisfied with the 2006 season. It could have been better. But it was pretty darn good in my opinion.
But if you feel the team underperformed, then yes, that would mean you feel that Miles underperformed.
I'm not gonna blame the S&C coach for bad outings like you have Roger.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:35 pm to earl keese
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I was satisfied with the 2006 season
Good so was I. Now I know where you stand going forward.
You should be elated for the coming season
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I'm not gonna blame the S&C coach for bad outings like you have Roger.
Another of Ricky s lies you have ran with as a low information poster
And you'll probably pretend you were there again
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People were thrilled with 2010.
Some, sure. Many? Maybe.
the same idiots who to this day will say that they stand by their suggestion that we'd have been better served firing Miles after the TENN loss in 2005? No man, and you know that's true.
Rog...this is the entire reason why guys like me started "defending" Miles in the first damn place. The guy ought not have needed defending back then, but he did on here.
Had it not been for that kind of blind irrational hatred for the guy, guys like me and Rick and others would have never been called Polly Anna or Miles Defenders or whatever the term at that time was.
Now, when I suggest that if that was the standard that coach as held to that we ought to continue those standards with the current one...I'm bashing the coach.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:42 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Some, sure. Many? Maybe.
I've never seen one person disappointed in 2010, outside of the awful passing game
The results were unexpectedly stellar for that group.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:43 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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What rope? You act like these are terrible seasons...I say that they are exactly the type of season many here are now lauding.
starting in 2013, look at the losses.
step away from looking at the final record. That tells you next to nothing.
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Why is 10-3 in 2012 and 2013 so obviously underachieving but 10-3 now is some huge accomplishment?
Was Les Miles fireable after 2010? 2011? or 2012?
Was Les Miles fireable after 2014? 2015? 2016?
Ask yourself why, at the root, was he fireable in the end? Short answer is that it wasn't just one reason. It wasn't because he was losing games to teams he shouldn;t have been. It was why he was losing games to teams he shouldnt have been.
Again, the program was in a different spot and anyone that argues different is delusional.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Did you criticize 2006?
No. Like most fans I was certainly disappointed and felt that we'd missed an opportunity with that team...but that happens occasionally.
But then I've always hated the term underachieving. It's so blatantly bullshite and unfalsifiable. All it's really trying to do is bad mouth the coach for not living up to even higher expectations than he'd achieved. Sad thing is that most of Miles' tenure was looked at during his time here as "underachieving" because fans simply that even though we were winning at a clip that was unprecedented in our entire history...it wasn't ENOUGH!!
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Only an idiot really would
I agree. Keep your eyes open for the next time someone does...bet you won;t have to wait too long.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:44 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Rog...this is the entire reason why guys like me started "defending" Miles in the first damn place.
You're stuck there and can't escape, hence your hatred for Orgeron
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:46 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I agree. Keep your eyes open for the next time someone does...bet you won;t have to wait too long.
Underachieving, yes
Bad season, hell no. It's t was a damn good one
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:46 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Literally my entire point with all of this.
Just be intellectually honest...that's all.
I feel the same way. If one coach did a masterful job going 10-2 with the only losses coming against top ten teams, then the same thing should be said about another coach doing the exact same thing.
If a person considers a season like that a failure, then they should consider it a failure if another coach does the same.
Doesn't seem to be that hard a concept. But it obviously is for some.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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hence your hatred for Orgeron
This is your crutch in these discussions about this HC.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:52 pm to Goldrush25
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This is your crutch in these discussions about this HC.
Ask him
He freely admits it, unlike youPosted on 7/29/19 at 5:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You should be elated for the coming season
Elated? We haven't even played a down of football yet. shite, we might go 15-0 or we might go 10-2, 9-4, etc. etc. etc.
Way to put the horse before the cart.
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Another of Ricky s lies you have ran with as a low information poster
And you'll probably pretend you were there again
Don't be mad because some people remember seeing this in various threads. just own it Roger. It'll be easier that way.
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