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Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:05 pm
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:05 pm
TLDR:
1) The consequences of having a ground game should have been your biggest takeaway
2) Ed Ingram is a big deal
3) Our defense is still awful
4) Be happy we have a stacked QB room, and give the staff some credit. Quit acting like teenage girls.
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I know that non-existent QB controversies manufactured by ESPN’s Z-crew are fun, but if you pull your head out of the dirt you will realize that offense isn’t going to lose us any games this year.

The middle of this defensive backfield looks like it needs nothing short of a miracle just to be “okay”. In the meantime, LSU’s strategy needs to be to keep them off the field as much as they can. That means running the ball & successful, methodical drives wherever possible...

Yes, this is ironic & I love explosive play potential as much as the next guy... But ground game was the only real reason our total defense numbers in this game were improved. We still averaged close to 8yds/play on defense, which I think is the worst to date?

It wasn’t improved defense (sans Ojulari’s performance + a couple flashes of hope in the form of coverage sacks)... it was mostly just improved game management.

They really need to start moving guys around & experimenting with personnel changes because that situation with LB/S is abysmal.

But feel free to keep parroting nonsense about how Finley should usurp a healthy Brennan based off your one-game sample (ignoring the fact we rushed for 200+ yds).
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
7263 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:08 pm to
Accurate assessment
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:13 pm to
I just could not bite my tongue... never expect the melt after a win to be more nonsensical than after what happened to us week 1, but here we are
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:37 pm to
Another post of someone who is upset that people think Finley played better than Myles.

I'm good with either guy. But the opinions about Finley are not irrational. Anyone who has the tiniest ability to observe can see when a QB shows all the attributes. Presence, reads, accuracy, arm strength, decision making, calmness under pressure and ability to throw on the run.

It doesn't matter the sample size, when you see all of those things. I think Brennan gets his job back when healthy, simply out of respect, if nothing else. That doesn't mean that Finley isn't ready now.

You're expecting regression? Why? Don't players get better with more experience? Is it the opponent? Who has Myles faced that's any better? I say none of this to slander Brennan. He has played very well since that terrible first half against MSU. But all of this sanctimonious "get off my lawn with your one game observations" stuff is already worn out.

Let's all just agree to let the coaches make the decision, while not simultaneously poo-pooing Finley as a one hit wonder who had "awesome" protection. Not holding the ball forever had a lot to do with the perceived improvement in protection. Yes the running game was there. It was there against Vandy, too. So what does that prove?
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 4:39 pm
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

Let's all just agree to let the coaches make the decision, while not simultaneously poo-pooing Finley as a one hit wonder who had "awesome" protection.

That’s actually what the post says. And nobody is poo-poo-ing Finley. You’re poo-poo-ing Brennan by promoting the idea that he doesn’t deserve his established role as the starting QB. Based on... ?
quote:

Finley played better than Myles

You just contradicted yourself.
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Yes the running game was there. It was there against Vandy, too. So what does that prove?

My point. Which two games did we win again?

This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24240 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 5:43 pm to
Mizzou is a very good team on defense. Myles played hurt and put it on them. Do I think Myles is the answer? No. Why? Because, unless he hasn’t shown it due to injury, he is not a threat to keep and run or run draws ie plays designed for him to run, it limits the entire opening up of the offense we saw last season. Is Finley the answer? He has tools, but the sample size is small JUST LIKE FOR BRENNAN. For all practical purposes he is a rookie and has played 2 trash teams and one decent one. Had it not been for the defense he could/should be undefeated.

When I saw Johnson keep that ball and run - WOW. That guy showed something I’ve not seen from even Burrow. If Johnson can throw into windows, has touch and can do that, this team is loaded and may have an issue with one transferring.

Just crazy considering nobody knew if either of the would be able to handle the pressure. Boomer is not a bad DC as we all know.

The run game made that easier. The threat to run by the QB makes the LBs keep an eye on him and limits their dropping into coverage or always crashing on the back.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:35 am to
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he is not a threat to keep and run or run draws

The play he got hurt on was a 10yd scamper. I think Finley’s success had more to do with playcalling in this game. Johnson is by far the most mobile, so if we are fully leaning into this argument he would be the guy.

I agree that balance is key, but I think many people are attributing way too much of that balance to Finley’s mobility.

I’ll acknowledge he is a giant human + I don’t mind the posts about getting a redzone package installed for him. In general though, the difference in the offensive feel has a lot less to do with QB play than I think a lot of people believe atm.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19386 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:10 am to
Let me simplify it for you. We want the kid out there who wins football games. MB lost to Missouri because he could t either through talent or inspiration of his team score from the one yard line.

Screw that.

I want the kid who can win games. Stats be damned
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 4:11 am
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
10667 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 6:10 am to
We’ll hang 38 on Bama and still lose by 2 TDs

It’s going to be that kind of year
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:18 am to
quote:

Let me simplify it for you. We want the kid out there who wins football games

Are you just going to completely ignore the discussion & the fact that the variable in the Ws vs Ls is rushing yards — not the QB? You’re certainly simplifying it. Scary there are this many ppl who are this... simple.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39109 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:01 am to
Good post; weird title.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:31 am to
quote:

The middle of this defensive backfield looks like it needs nothing short of a miracle just to be “okay”.


If it was only that. LB play is even worse.

I agree run the mall and shorten the game.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:42 am to
I’m happy about Finley’s solid debut and excited about his future. He looks poised and is talented.

Myles is the better option for this season. The main reason is accuracy on deep throws. Finley only attempted a few but you can tell accuracy is not there yet. Myles has some of the better numbers in the country throwing deep.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64209 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:47 am to
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:50 am to
quote:

That’s actually what the post says. And nobody is poo-poo-ing Finley. You’re poo-poo-ing Brennan by promoting the idea that he doesn’t deserve his established role as the starting QB. Based on... ?


Bullcrap. I clearly stated that I'm fine with either guy. No one is the "established" starter. You're the starter as long as the coaches say you are. Both QB's have proven they can start. My point is that this was the best outing by either QB, and so to act like it's a ridiculous idea to start Finley, because Brennan has all of two more starts in his career (whoopidy-do), is a bad take. And the second part of that sentence you wrote is also BS. I did NOT, in any way, say that Brennan "doesn't deserve" to start. It's your idea that he's the "established" starter that makes your entire argument flawed. Nothing is etched in stone, especially when you're talking about two guys who are separated by two starts.

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Finley played better than Myles


You just contradicted yourself.


Contradicted myself? In what actual way did I do that? Are you insinuating that because I believe Finley played better than Myles, that I am somehow contradicting my statement "let's all just agree to let the coaches make the decision"? If so, you don't know what that word means. I'm not saying who deserves to start. I'm not telling the coaches who to start. I simply stated that Finley played better. I understand fully the position that Orgeron is in, trying to weigh the performances of two very good QB's, along with the optics of possibly sitting the guy who's waited his turn. For that reason, regardless of what I think of Finley, I fully expect that Brennan will start when he's healthy. And I'm fine with that.

It's not poo-pooing anyone to say that two guys are playing well, but one looked even better. What I have a problem with is everyone trying to downplay (while pretending that they aren't) Finley's performance by say the line was great, or the ground game was there, or no one had film on him, or the opponent wasn't any good. But, oh, "nobody is down playing anything, we think he was great, we're just sayin'...". Right, by giving the credit to anyone and anything else, and giving Finley a begrudging "nice job", people are just singing his praises.

The fact is that a bunch of people said he would suck, and it's easy to see that they aren't ready to eat crow. I'll be a man and say that I didn't have many expectations based on anything I had heard of him coming out of high school. But, I knew he had the tools, and I was just rooting for him to figure it out. And he appears to have done that.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 8:59 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14398 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:55 am to
quote:

Let me simplify it for you. We want the kid out there who wins football games. MB lost to Missouri because he could t either through talent or inspiration of his team score from the one yard line. Screw that. I want the kid who can win games. Stats be damned

To be fair, how much different was the push vs USCe with Ingram and Wire on TJ and TDPs TD runs vs our push vs Mizzou on the one with Dare and undersized Charles Turner? Mizzou had DL out and we still couldn't get 1 yard.
Posted by XbengalTiger
212 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
5459 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:59 am to
quote:

It wasn’t improved defense (sans Ojulari’s performance + a couple flashes of hope in the form of coverage sacks)... it was mostly just improved game management.

They really need to start moving guys around & experimenting with personnel changes because that situation with LB/S is abysmal.
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Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:01 am to
Upvoted
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26680 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:12 am to

Finley looked great throwing the ball and I'm excited about his future. However, pump the brakes on him as a runner.

I actually thought he looked horrible and awkward running the ball.

He's a big dude and can fall forward for a few yards, but he's not a runner and will get hurt quickly with his height and someone takes out his legs.

Very impressed with his poise in the pocket and his accuracy, which was supposed to be one of his drawbacks.

Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:17 am to
I want LSU to win every game, & I thing our freshman QB played great!
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