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Posted on 4/8/18 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 3:03 pm to
I’m just in awe Dobson built our hitting standard up so much from his arrival to this shite show we’ve had the last two years
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 3:33 pm to
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I’m just in awe Dobson built our hitting standard up so much from his arrival to this shite show we’ve had the last two years



Can't do much now midway in SEC play but some major decisions need to be made when the season is over, we just can't continue this trend.

I don't care who the pitcher is in the circle its absurd to expect perfect outings every weekend. Teams WILL find a way to scratch a run or two across from time to time no matter how good you are.

LSU has averaged 2.45 runs in SEC play, playin 3 teams already at the very bottom of the league, with A&M, Tennessee and Florida still ahead. We are batting .216 in SEC play


Its not a one player problem or a couple players slumping, its a universal issue from 1-9

I hope we can catch fire soon but this weekend scares me a lot. We faced Lee for 25 innings, each player saw her over 10 times and outside of Doyle's homerun, not one player made an adjustment.

Lee most certainly isn't a bad pitcher at all, very good but the lack of any type of adjustment from the hitters is the most concerning issue to me. Blame definitely isn't all on the players or all on coaches but to me when its every player it all falls back onto the coaches more so than an individual player
Posted by lovepurplelivegold14
Member since Jun 2014
396 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 3:41 pm to
We need to find ways to score. It’s at a point where we just can’t swing away and get hits. We can’t hit the long ball and we can’t string hits together. We need to do hit in runs, Execute bunts, and find some way to score. We are 28-1 when we score more than 1 run. We have to give our pitchers a chance to win. We can barely let Gorsuch or Sunseri develop in the circle cause we don’t know if we’re gonna score on any given day, no matter the competition. It’s evident that we aren’t gonna get different people in the lineup, but we are moving people around. I think the lineup should be:

Lineup:
1.) Andrews
2.) Doyle
3.) Griggs
4.) Sanchez
5.) Sunseri
6.) Antoine
7.) Serrett
8.) Schlattman
9.) Schulte

The one thing about Sanchez is that a lot of her puts are loud outs. So many of her outs die at the warning track. So that puts her in good position for sac flies. I don’t even know at this point I just want us to score.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43142 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 4:07 pm to
Alabama evens the series with Florida 3-2 final
Auburn beating Tennessee 6-0 in the 6th right now
Auburn beats Tennessee 6-0 to win the series
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:46 pm to
We went through this last year... “Changes need to be made in the off-season”... Everybody came back pretty much doing the same thing.

I have dont know enough of the goings-on at practice and with the team to point fingers at anybody. All I know is that these girls need to change things about the way they hit.

Serret probably has no clue how much potential she has as a hitter. Some of the best line drives you ever see in a softball game are hit by her, but they are aways outside the lines. Imagine if those screamers were fair balls.Because of the angle of her swing, timing is super-critical. If she ever gets her hitting straightened out she is going to be a terror. I betcha she swings the bat as hard as most of the girls on that team.

Kudos to Beth for giving Goff a chance. I hated pinch-hitting, always knowing that if my coach wanted production from me, he'd give me four at bats in a game.

What would it hurt, in a midweek game, to put those who dont play much out on the field, start them, and let them play a full game. No need to “bench” the starters, just sit them for a game and put Goff, Claire, Thymes and the others out there and let the get some experience.

Have to give the underclassmen playing time. Nothing wrong with sitting the starters and letting the younger ones play in a midweek setting.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:02 pm to
quote:

I think the lineup should be:

Lineup:
1.) Andrews
2.) Doyle
3.) Griggs
4.) Sanchez
5.) Sunseri
6.) Antoine
7.) Serrett
8.) Schlattman
9.) Schulte



Um... thats literally what it is now!

We continue to do this over and over. We see different lineups and orders and the results remain the same. This isn't a lineup order issue!!!

I don't think some players are specifically cut out for this but I definitely think there is a major developmental problem that does not have hitters prepared for this level of play. But thats my opinion. Until that problem is addressed, we will continue to have the same problems and discussions
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37321 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:21 pm to
For each of the last 3 years, we’ve lost the best hitters in the program’s history- Kloss, Simmons, Andrews, Bell, Jaquish, and Landry.

We just haven’t recruited all-American hitters to replace them, which is obviously not easy. These are the same issues at the plate as last year.
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
6164 posts
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:07 pm to
Oh why did I even look at this page tonight... same old regurgitated crap over and over and over. I guess we don't have anything else to do but moan and whine. Same in football, baseball, and I guarantee the same if gymnastics doesn't win it all next week. We, myself included, need to get some rest and quit getting so worked up and spending so much time trying to be the coach.

I'm retired and part time coach and I don't even have the time to make new line ups over and over. How do y'all have time do do any work at your jobs?

I'll give myself the 1st downvote.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19621 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:27 am to
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I'll give myself the 1st downvote.


I’ll give you another.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:07 am to
quote:

The one thing about Sanchez is that a lot of her puts are loud outs. So many of her outs die at the warning track. So that puts her in good position for sac flies. I don’t even know at this point I just want us to score.



This is what we've come to, aim for sac flies?

Also, how do you do that when no one ever makes it to 3B and before there are two outs???





This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 1:12 am
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
616 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 8:24 am to
Yep, we have said for a couple of offseasons now that it would be fixed after the season. It hasn't been and we have at least succeeded in proving that we cannot develop players and have no idea how to build depth or have imagination in line ups.

We have a player that makes "loud outs" but is still a 230 career hitter and 930 career fielder but will get another 80 career starts before its over. We keep wasting starts on players we know have no upside or chance to improve.

We have not had a competent second baseman in years yet we pencil in the same people over and over and over. It's madness and incredibly frustrating.

Our back up second baseman must be really bad to not be able to get a shot to play. Can you fathom sitting on the bench behind a 180 hitter and NEVER getting a shot? I can't imagine she will be back next year. This mentality will continue to run off players that could help this program. Who has the highest OBP on the team? Oh, its a player that never gets to play two games in a row. Same ole story.

This is one of the most fortunate teams on game day I have ever seen and that falls at the feet of two of the greatest pitchers in school history. The chain on the largest rabbits foot in the history of softball starts in the circle. I believe we have given up fewer than 2 runs in 30+ games which is an amazing feat.

I'll say it again, thank God for Hoover and Wali and let's hope MB continues to improve.

Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15678 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:27 am to
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This is one of the most fortunate teams on game day I have ever seen and that falls at the feet of two of the greatest pitchers in school history. The chain on the largest rabbits foot in the history of softball starts in the circle. I believe we have given up fewer than 2 runs in 30+ games which is an amazing feat. I'll say it again, thank God for Hoover and Wali and let's hope MB continues to improve.


Before I make my next statement, let me go on record as saying that I think Beth Torina is a very good coach and she has done great things during her tenure at LSU. That said, I can't help but compare the current situation to some of the past football seasons under Miles, where we had national champion caliber players but couldn't get it done on the field. We have 2 of the best pitchers in the country, but we don't have the offense to back them up. I just don't see us getting very far in the postseason unless we see drastic improvement at the plate. It's a damn shame too, because both Carly and Allie deserve to win a WCWS championship.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:51 am to
None of the hitters look prepared at the plate
Posted by Tigerbreathe
Member since Mar 2014
220 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:36 am to
Tigerbait357. Maybe being prepared at the plate is not the issue. With the following SEC batting averages, Serrett .125, Sanchez .158 Schulte .182, Schlattman .225, maybe offensively, they just are not SEC caliber hitters. Maybe they just don't have the ability to hit SEC level pitching. Against Ole Miss pitcher, Lee, Schulte went 0-6, Serrett 1-8, Sanchez 1-10, Schlattman 1-8. Combined that's 3-33. That's a .090 average. What do you think. I respect your opinion.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4952 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:01 pm to
Well said
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:03 pm to
As the season goes on, you get a better idea of what is going right, and what is going wrong. At the plate, LSU struggles with the same struggles they had last year.

Three new starters take the field...Schlatmann, Schulte, and Antoine. Schlatmann and Schulte have struggled.

Antoine is just a freshman and pitch selection is an issue for her. Also, she needs to move away from slapping. Her swing is much too good to waste on tapping the ball. Her batting average is sinking because of those two things, pitch selection and slapping. If not next year, the following year, she will be batting second or third where she belongs, she just needs more experience.

I got Schlatmann all wrong the last time I posted a batting analysis, and the reason is because her warm up swing is not the same as how she swings when she is actually hitting the ball. She is too far off the plate, and occasionally pulls away from the ball. She needs to elevate, and get her eye level closer to the strike zone, and put more into swinging through the ball, rather than throwing the bat AT the ball. She has home run power, and a lot of potential. What would we do without her? She plays her position well. Glad she is with us.

Schulte needs a revamp of her swing. Her most serious flaw is evident at the beginning of her swing, where she moves the bat downward like a golf swing, rather than a more horizontal launch. She, too, has homerun power, and potential. Whether or not she remains a starter, I hope that they get her batting fixed, would like to see her succeed. She is a natural middle fielder. Potential is there.

Serret moves the bat at too vertical an angle on launch, and the bat doesnt flatten in the zone long enough. She can hit some screamers, and needs her bat path fixed. Once that is done, she is going to be a great asset offensively. Even as she is now, she has game changing ability at the plate, loaded with potential.

Goff only gets to pinch hit, and I used to do that in my underclassman years, it is the hardest way to show what you can do...getting one chance at a pitcher you never faced before and wanting to get a base hit, rather than a walk...it makes you swing at junk you wouldn't normally swing at. I'd give her a chance at DP or start her somewhere. We got people starting that shouldn't mind sitting out a game or two to let the underclassmen play.

Griggs and Andrews are affected by that stupid new rule about the batter's box. It is on Andrews' mind, and it is affecting her. Griggs doesnt have the longest arms, and she has to stand close to the edge of the inside of the batters box. The umpires are calling strikes that are six to ten inches off the edge of the plate..nothing a batter can do then.

Doyle has the burden of the offense on her shoulder, and wants to hit the ball. She is doing much better this year. All-American is in her future.

Sanchez has a pitch selection problem, her flaws are not in her fundamental mechanics.

Thats what I think is wrong, and what Dobson should focus on fixing. It would be really nice to have Springfield back.

Is Tennessee next? Their pitching aint great, but if you want to beat them you gotta score 3 or 4 runs minimum...their girls swing away and they can all put the ball out.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:10 pm to
There are a couple players I don't think are cut out for this level of play

But there are many players who are significantly underachieving and are lost. When its a universal issue from 1-9 that screams a coaching problem. Everyone has a similar approach at the plate. They hack at balls or foul off meat balls down the middle of the plate, put themselves in 0-2 or 1-2 counts, then its always automatic outs.

There have been some good offenses under Torina but what Dobson has done the last few years hasn't been working and resonating with the players. changes are needed, if not next year will be a complete disaster when we don't have pitcher pitching shut outs every game.

Ask yourselves this! Is the player today a better player than when they came here? Its a pretty easy answer for all players on the mound, not sure I can say that about the hitters


Serrett- .241
Sanchez- .234
Schlattman- .221
Schulte- .178
Thornhill- .250
Springfield- .232
Walljasper- .167


These numbers are as bad as the 2012 offense in Torina's first year
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers2018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2018
32 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 6:09 pm to
Beth won’t get the top hitters to play here anymore. Too many stories circling about bad visits.
Beth personality as a recruiter is very low out of the top 50 teams. She is extremely intelligent that for sure but does not come across to players and families well.
She is not approachable, stubborn and hard headed.
See what shakes out during the summer!
Dobson gone all summer doesnt help running around with the USA girls. Instead he she be planning for next seasons hitting and players development.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70768 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 6:23 pm to
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Beth won’t get the top hitters to play here anymore. Too many stories circling about bad visits.



I don't really believe this. On paper we have some studs committed that have offers from the best of the best (Ciara Briggs, Taylor Pleasants, Presleigh Pilon, Emari Frazier). With that said it doesn't guaranteed success at the college level

quote:

Beth personality as a recruiter is very low out of the top 50 teams. She is extremely intelligent that for sure but does not come across to players and families well.


Not all coaches connections with every recruit its just reality.

quote:

She is not approachable, stubborn and hard headed.



I agree on stubborn, if there is any weakness for her its that for sure.


LSU has had some major misses with players from the 2015 class thats for sure but there is a pretty significant developmental problem we can all agree on for position players. Many of these players should be performing way better than what they put up statistically, specifically Amber Serrett.

LSU can recruit talented players all day, if they aren;t properly prepared and developed is means nothing unfortunately
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 6:27 pm to
Springfield is gone for season?
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