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re: OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:04 pm to Bread Orgeron
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:04 pm to Bread Orgeron
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Matt, if Auburn loses their remaining two and Oregon loses just 1, but still wins the Pac-10, would they get the benefit of the doubt as the "best 1 loss team" because they won their conference and we just finished second in the west?
I doubt it, their computer rankings would go down in flames considering their SOS. In this case a 1-loss Big XII champion would get in; if the Big XII champ has 2 losses then ist will be 2 of these 3 LSU/Boise St/LSU imo
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:18 pm to lsumatt
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That is another reason I don't like our chances of passing TCU...we probably need Oregon to lose but when they do, they probably steal some votes from us.
yeah I understand how we are basically competing against the other 1 loss schools. Fortunately, we are where we are right now in the polls and a win over a (possible) top 10 Arky would be great I'm assuming.
Let's say those other 1 loss schools below us all lose. Then say Auburn loses 2, Oregon loses just 1, but still wins the Pac 10. In that case it would be TCU/Boise both undefeated, then LSU 1 loss, and Oregon 1 loss.
I keep reading on here that there is no way the voters put TCU/Boise in the title game, but if they are the only two undefeated and LSU is sitting at #3, would Oregon get a lot of love to get in that game in spite of their 1 loss? Or their computers are just that awful?
It really sucks for Oregon that they don't have a conference championship game yet...
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:50 pm to lsumatt
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Now if you can get 7 of the Republicans to drop out, maybe the 1 left has a shot.
But I thought earlier you stated that other teams ("candidates") created a wedge with Boise (Independent Candidate)???
If I had to guess, in the scenario that Auburn and Oregon both lose...the voters will still show the most love to a 1 loss conf champ instead of LSU by any means necessary. Whether its Wisconsin, Oregon, Nebraska, or any other 1 loss Big 10, Pac 10 or Big 12 school. I think it will be purely a political decision to not have LSU in to reduce controversy and to keep the conference championships meaningful. Not that I agree, but thats why the human polls suck.
The only way I see it happening for LSU is if all BCS school teams have 2 losses. If Boise loses to Nevada that would help from what lsumatt said earlier, but even if Boise won out, no way the voters have 2 non AQs in over 1 loss BCS school and SEC team.
A couple of weeks ago when "experts" were giving Bama a shot at a one loss team still controlling its destiny, was under the circumstance that they win out (meaning they won their division and conference) something we cant do.
Im still keeping hope for chaos, but more crazy has to happen than 2003 and 2007 combined.
lsumatt, if you have a cheat cheat of games to follow and outcomes to pull for that would be great.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:52 pm to Kenneth
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Kenneth
It is a misconception that the Top 4 are AQs. Their are scenarios where the #3 and #4 ranked teams would not be in a BCS game because the 10 spots available could already be filled up before they get to that rule in the selection process.
6 spots go to BCS conference champions, 2 spots go to #1 and #2, which do NOT have to be conference champions, 1 spot goes to Top 8 Notre Dame, and 1 spot goes to Top 12 non-AQ conference champion. IF any team meets more than one criteria, that opens up the #3 and #4 rule, which are predicated on no more than 2 teams from one conference first and foremost.
Note: If the #1 and #2 team are from the same conference and are NEITHER are conference champions, then a 3rd team can still be a AQ and get into the BCS.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:31 am to slackster
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If the #1 and #2 team are from the same conference and are NEITHER are conference champions
That would be insane
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:35 am to slackster
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Note: If the #1 and #2 team are from the same conference and are NEITHER are conference champions, then a 3rd team can still be a AQ and get into the BCS.
Never thought about that scenario. That would be awesome.
Could potentially happen this year with a 12-1 Auburn team that lost to SC and an 11-1 LSU team.
Of course some crazy shite would have to happen in this scenario including TCU losing to New Mexico. But since that game hasn't been played yet, there is still a mathematical chance.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 12:36 am
Posted on 11/15/10 at 5:07 am to lsumatt
quote:If you can't win your division, let alone your conference, do you really deserve to go? I know the SECW is as tough as it gets, but that's the bottom line for me.
LSU has no chance of an SEC title. That still leaves open a very slight chance at a National Title...you DO NOT have to win your conference to play for a National Championship
You have to win your conference to "deserve" to be there. Just my opinion.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 6:12 am to loweralabamatrojan
espn today has us out of BCS games and in cotton or outback. must think we lose one more 
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:11 am to lsumatt
Auburn beating Georgia, along with all of the other teams of note winning, ended our shot at the NCG for all intents and purposes. Finishing 9-3 is much more likely than the planets aligning to get LSU into the title game.
I think we control our destiny to a BCS at-large bid though, in spite of what Auburn does. I think 11-1 LSU gets in over 12-1 Auburn that just lost, even though they beat us.
I think we control our destiny to a BCS at-large bid though, in spite of what Auburn does. I think 11-1 LSU gets in over 12-1 Auburn that just lost, even though they beat us.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 7:12 am
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:14 am to slackster
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Note: If the #1 and #2 team are from the same conference and are NEITHER are conference champions, then a 3rd team can still be a AQ and get into the BCS.
Unless they changed the rules, this isn't true. Link?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:18 am to TriumphTiger
I stand corrected. Has it always been this way?
LINK
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No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 7:20 am
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:35 am to TriumphTiger
This is how I see it.
01.) Oregon: James may be hurt, and Cal almost knocked them off for us. Arizona has a chance, but Oregon State is our best bet. Just need one team to drop them.
02.) Auburn: Would need to lose to both Alabama and South Carolina. Two loss team gets the kicked out.
03.) TCU: Only have New Mexico State left. This won't help them in the polls, and if LSU wins out and plays really good then I can see us actually jumping them.
04.) Boise: Between Fresno and Nevada we have to hope that one of them can either make it a scare, or actually beat them.
05.) LSU: Win out...
06.) Stanford: Actually think their still better then Oregon, but would need them to lose another game between Cal and Oregon State.
07.) Wisonsin: Pray at Michigan can play like they did early in the season. Rich Rod needs to have them ready to upset the badgers.
08.) Nebraska: A&M could shock them, if not lets only hope Texas/Oklahoma can knock them out in the Conf. Championship.
09.) Ohio State: Iowa and Michigan...they'll drop another game.
LSU just needs to win out and hope 2007 happens again. We can not win the conference right now, so we just need a little more help then normal.
01.) Oregon: James may be hurt, and Cal almost knocked them off for us. Arizona has a chance, but Oregon State is our best bet. Just need one team to drop them.
02.) Auburn: Would need to lose to both Alabama and South Carolina. Two loss team gets the kicked out.
03.) TCU: Only have New Mexico State left. This won't help them in the polls, and if LSU wins out and plays really good then I can see us actually jumping them.
04.) Boise: Between Fresno and Nevada we have to hope that one of them can either make it a scare, or actually beat them.
05.) LSU: Win out...
06.) Stanford: Actually think their still better then Oregon, but would need them to lose another game between Cal and Oregon State.
07.) Wisonsin: Pray at Michigan can play like they did early in the season. Rich Rod needs to have them ready to upset the badgers.
08.) Nebraska: A&M could shock them, if not lets only hope Texas/Oklahoma can knock them out in the Conf. Championship.
09.) Ohio State: Iowa and Michigan...they'll drop another game.
LSU just needs to win out and hope 2007 happens again. We can not win the conference right now, so we just need a little more help then normal.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:44 am to CajunFootball
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if not lets only hope Texas/Oklahoma can knock them out in the Conf. Championship.
O RLY?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:53 am to loweralabamatrojan
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If you can't win your division, let alone your conference, do you really deserve to go? I know the SECW is as tough as it gets, but that's the bottom line for me.
Techincally wouldnt LSU be co-West Champions if Bama beats AU??
Tie Breaker is used only to decide who plays in Atlanta. Of course LSU isnt Ole Miss and isnt going to put up a flag to celebrate it.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:00 am to Catman88
quote:Great point
Techincally wouldnt LSU be co-West Champions if Bama beats AU??
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:05 am to rollthatback
Wasn't sure where they stood in their division. I knew they had already beaten Nebraska, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:06 am to CajunFootball
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not lets only hope Texas/Oklahoma can knock them out in the Conf. Championship.
You know how I know you aren't paying attention to college football this season?
Okie State is 5-1 in the South, with Okie at 4-2. The winner of that game likely goes to the Big XII championship game.
I am actually kind of hoping that Nebraska wins the Big XII as a final "f you" on the way out.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:16 am to CajunFootball
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I knew they had already beaten Nebraska, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
They are 2-5 in the Big XII. They play Florida Atlantic this week, and A&M next week, and they need to win BOTH to even get a bowl bid.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:27 am to DrEdgeLSU
Yeah I know how to read the conference standings. I don't follow the Big 12, and like I already said above. I knew they had beaten Nebraska already, and figured they were at least in contention.
I'd rather them lose both and not make a bowl. It doesn't matter, I don't think Neb. wins the conference.
I'd rather them lose both and not make a bowl. It doesn't matter, I don't think Neb. wins the conference.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:30 am to CajunFootball
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Yeah I know how to read the conference standings. I don't follow the Big 12, and like I already said above. I knew they had beaten Nebraska already, and figured they were at least in contention.
I'd rather them lose both and not make a bowl. It doesn't matter, I don't think Neb. wins the conference.
Well, Texas' plunge into mediocrity at 4-6 has been well documented, but that's cool.
I just think it would be funny for the Big XII to have no defending champion in conference next season. If they aren't going to win it, I'd certainly pull for Okie State.
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