Offensive Line vs Scheme. NE vs KC - perfect explanation why LSU's scheme needs to change

IMO it's a little tough to be comparing two of the best NFL offenses to what LSU is doing. Obviously, we need to improve in a number of areas on offense, but players are in the NFL for a reason.

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IMO it's a little tough to be comparing two of the best NFL offenses to what LSU is doing. Obviously, we need to improve in a number of areas on offense, but players are in the NFL for a reason.

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To be fair - there are maybe 4 teams in the NFL that even average 3 seconds to complete a pass, the rest are all below that mark.

My point is that, if we look at the NFL - across the board - offensive schemes are required to deal with having less than 3 seconds to throw the ball. I also made note of it in Clemson vs Oklahoma - Lawrence didn't have that much time - it's the scheme.

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My point is that, if we look at the NFL - across the board - offensive schemes are required to deal with having less than 3 seconds to throw the ball.

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I got that and what I'm saying is that NFL QBs, RBs, WRs and linemen are better than their counterparts in college. You could make the same comparison by saying NBA players shoot better than college players.

I agree we could have gotten more out of our offense with a better scheme. I just think your comparison is flawed.

TigerLunatik

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IMO it's a little tough to be comparing two of the best NFL offenses to what LSU is doing. Obviously, we need to improve in a number of areas on offense, but players are in the NFL for a reason.

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Updated 4:51 pm 1/20: Jan 14th 2019- Pass Protection & LSU: Max Protect Blocking Schemes are limiting QBs, causing sacks & hindering the Offensive Production Note: I looked up the sack rate numbers reported here and they are bad for 2018: 35 sks, 103rd nationally, last in the SEC. However, the extremes in the report could not be verified via CFBstats: 2017-83rd, 2016-32nd, 2015-30th, 2014-55th. The sks in descending order were 35, 13, 19, 17, 25 or a range of 2.39 sks/gm down to 1.92/gm in 2014, with 17 sks in 2015 being the lowest and ranked 30th. It is a strong verification of how "phone booth" max protect, non-spread scheme is so fossilized and out-of-date with Modern Spread Offenses.




He is talking about Scheme. The Scheme is the same as Clemson and ALA, Oklahoma, all the successful teams who have made it to the CFPNC: RPO, Spread, Quick Release, 11 personnel (3WR +flex TE, or 4 WR, 1 RB also used as a WR in RPOs. Or haven't you noticed the deficiencies in Scheme while you celebrate a 5-3 SEC season?

Stopped reading at

SEC Grapevine dumbfrick.

And while we at I'd like a run defense like the Saints and pass defense like Jaguars (eye roll).

Everything about the NFL is different. If LSU simply fixed our RZ offense then we're a much better team. Get better talent and play out of the OL (mainly OT) and the DL (mainly NT) with a OLB who can rush and we will be a force no matter what the offense looks like. LSUs STs/Offense/Defense combo this year was good enough to beat everyone except maybe bama by a wide margin and we need better players along with a better called game vs that team to beat them. I think that's really the only game that LSU truly needs to play really really good offense to win the game.

We have a winning formula and while I would love the offense to change, it is changing, it's just that you morons don't seem to realize the short comings we had and have on this team to be able to execute said offense so E did what he thought would win games. The offense will open up a little more next season and if it opens up in the RZ and we score TDs instead of FGs y'all will see just how good the team is.

We played on short fields a lot this season bc of defense and STs. So y'all want us to drive the entire field instead of having to go 50 yards 4 times to get 400 yards instead of 200? What's the difference if you score 4 TDs either way?? This happened a lot with LSU this year and that was one of the reasons our yardage wasn't great. It's all about points to me so score more points and who cares.

I like the motions, it let's the qb know for sure if the defense is in man or not and where the blitz most likely will come from.

Trevor Lawrence has a Quicker Release than Brady. That is particularly amazing considering that Brady is throwing short quick passes of 5-6 yds and Lawrence is throwing much longer passes.


The new crop of young studs – Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield et al – are playing a different sport to the veterans. They play with a fearlessness the league has been lacking. It’s a cautious aggression, a deadly cocktail brewed up in the college ranks. Finally, it’s translating to the pro game.

Offensive and defensive schemes are evolving
The NFL can only use the talent that college provides. That’s always been true: the professionals like to the think of themselves as the wise ones. They send down football decrees from on high and the rest of the football universe takes note.

The reverse is actually true. High school coaches innovate. College guys steal and evolve those ideas. And the NFL folks do the same, pinching players and ideas from college, before twisting and contorting them to fit their own needs. Evolution in high school takes weeks. It’s a genius born of desperation. Evolution in the NFL, meanwhile now takes days. A successful play a team does at any level makes the highlight reel and teams incorporate it in their Scheme.

We’re finally seeing the fruits of the changes at the high school and college level paying dividends in the NFL – if you like high-scoring games, that is.

College style offenses – which feature multi-receiver sets, an emphasis on spacing the field, switch releases to attack man-coverage (receivers crisscrossing at the line of scrimmage), spread formations, and all manner of pre-snap deception – make the game easier for quarterbacks. There’s no other way to say it. It’s how schools routinely chuck out 4,000-yard passers, regardless of the individual player’s talent.

Past NFL coaching staffs have been hesitant to change. Their way was the best way. They were the pros. They were smarter. Now, pace-and-space principles are rampant across the league. The line between a college and NFL offense is blurring. This is facilitated by fossilized coaches having to make way for the Sean McVays, and a fresh batch of offensive coordinators who have pushed the quarterback-driven league into overdrive.




Red-Zone Pass Play from Clemson - Lawrence hit as he releases the ball. This happened quite a lot. He was never sacked but within a split second of being sacked many times. Conversely, ALA did not have a reliable goal line pass play in close quarters where Clemson defended their WRs, who are not as good as Dabo's. ALA tried to punch it in with runs 3-4 times and could not.




Patriots' Red-Zone "Iso" Slant to Rob Gronkowski: The NFL's most unstoppable play. This is a 3x1 formation out of Posse/11 personnel (3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB) with Gronkowski removed as the backside "X" receiver (split end).

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That creates a "trips" look (3 WR) to the open side of the formation, while Gronkowski is isolated on the other side against a defender in coverage. Now, Brady has a true one-on-one matchup to target with the league's top tight end running a basic, one-step slant against both Cover 1 (man-free) and Cover 0 (blitz-man) schemes.

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The Patriots do an excellent job of creating isolation situations for Rob Gronkowski by removing the tight end from the formation. This forces the defense to walk out a linebacker, safety or even a cornerback in coverage against the size, power and athleticism of the Patriots tight end. With Gronkowski aligned as a wide receiver in the deep red zone, a safety has to try to take away the slant. Once that ball is snapped, Gronkowski consistently whips defensive backs on the release to give quarterback Tom Brady a clear throwing window to rack up another touchdown pass.

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[b]Clemson Scheme and Coaching - They were built to beat ALA and win the CFP NC: It is not the players, it is the Coaches/Scheme:

Their Scheme is multi-dimensional spread, RPO, up-Tempo, with so many options that the Defense is not able to key on the QB, RB, TE, WRs and if they blitz Clemson breaks an explosive run, quick pass, or vertical pass.

Their Coaching group has steadily been building Tempo, and developing QBs to throw to those WRs, RBs: Tajh Boyd, Watson, Trevor Lawrence, true FR.



Just for fun try and guesstimate how fast Etienne runs the first 40 yds. He is believed to be the fastest.

For the season, Etienne has had a Clemson record 1658 yards and 24 touchdowns. In the ALA game he had 3 TDs( 1 on shovel pass), 86 yds.

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Alabama (who will always have NFL or near NFL caliber defensive line)

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you people that think any college football team has "NFL or near NFL caliber" defensive line are just high caliber ignorant.
where do you get this crap from?