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re: Offensive Line PFF Grades
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:15 pm to TigerFanFromBama
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:15 pm to TigerFanFromBama
It’s an incomplete statement the guy made. Yes he and the center are responsible for setting the protection, that doesn’t excuse guys getting beat but when extra guys come that are unblocked he’s supposed to have a sight adjustment and he missed several of those.
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:16 pm to Sterling Archer
A 20.1 is so bad. All of those are awful. Our O line is an absolute joke, which is why we look so bad. We need to recruit heavy on the line
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:18 pm to TigerFanFromBama
Think we need a switch up on the line
Would like to see:
LT Campbell
LG Bradford
C Dellinger
RG Shorts
RT Frazier
Would like to see:
LT Campbell
LG Bradford
C Dellinger
RG Shorts
RT Frazier
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:33 pm to Geauxgurt
Right! Wire on his back all game is on Daniels lol.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:35 pm to LSUdude247
I like that lineup as well with Jones rotating in.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:37 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:Let's not forget he's working with an inexperienced Center - seeing it all for the first time - who starts the line call process.
QB is responsible for getting the OL lined up and help call out protection assignments.
The indecisive Center with an inattentive QB thing looked "old hat" for the good guys.
quote:I get the idea, but it just didn't seem to come out right on paper.
Daniels failed miserably at that. It was a team failure.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:41 pm to LSUdude247
quote:I'll bite - why Brad on the L side of the line? Shorts was there all Spring and Fall.
Would like to see:
LT Campbell
LG Bradford
C Dellinger
RG Shorts
RT Frazier
Switch the Guards and that's what I was looking for when August started.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:54 pm to Sterling Archer
Say hello to Mr. Martinez.
Curious what Shorts would've done. I thought he was a shoe-in after camp. He didn't get enough reps for a grading.
Curious what Shorts would've done. I thought he was a shoe-in after camp. He didn't get enough reps for a grading.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:55 pm to Sterling Archer
quote:Do you have access to the Chart of the Grades?
Overall/Pass Block/Run Block
Dellinger 56.6 / 85.7 / 50.2
Miles Frazier 57.2 / 57.6 / 54
Anthony Bradford 56.9 / 20.1 / 69
Will Campbell 59.5 / 46.2 / 66.7
Cameron Wire 52.8 / 40.5 / 59.0
Overall, our OL obviously graded out very poorly.
I fully expect them to improve...
IIRC isn't 70 Average?
If folks can see the levels/numbers (say, 55 -65 is Below Avg (BA) and 40 to 54 is Way Below Avg (WBA) making anything below 40 Poor (POOR) then all could have better perspective on the Scores.
I don't know, maybe it's 70 (or whatever Avg is) as a Median and everything above/below is just better/worse.
Do you (or anybody?) have access to this kind of info?
That would be something everyone could bookmark for reference to back up arguments.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:01 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:you sure? Sometimes it’s the center. Whoever it is they need to study more. There were many plays where one or two didn’t have anyone to block and left edge rushers open
QB is responsible for getting the OL lined up and help call out protection assignments.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:07 pm to Damathe
quote:above 70 would qualify as "very good".
I don't know, maybe it's 70 (or whatever Avg is) as a Median and everything above/below is just better/worse.
A 64 is what you expect... if all are there. A 64 with 50's beside him is trouble. I'll put it this way, a "60" is a 3 on a 1-5 rating. A 3 on a run play is the RB making through your gap but with some effort and some traffic, maybe a couple of bumps/bruises- but you made a crease. That's ok. If you do that on every play you are getting first downs.
Nonetheless, if everybody gets a 64 that is a solid line.
When I see 40's or less, especially 20's, you have to look for excessive penalties. One thing I hate about these grading system is because you get a zero on a play with a penalty (usually on a 1-5 scale, gets converted to 100 pt on averages). So I really solid blocker can look poor due to some penalties when his performance as a blocker is still good. So these are grades of their "performance", not of their "capability". Both matter, just have to be aware of what you're seeing.
Having said that with 40's (or 20's) without penalties is bad. Really bad. As for Campbell, it was to be expected. For Bradford- that's terrible. For Wire, who had penalties, several of them, that's below average blocking with a poor performance.
And the run blocking is always sketchy here too. It takes a bit of skewing by the grader to account for RPO style blocking when they run it. Same for a QB that takes off on a pass play. They like to see the OL move a defender from a gap. So these run block scores are very suspect. To get a true picture you would have to grade them on true run plays vs. RPO/scramble. And that would make for some very small sample sizes making it suspect for a different reason.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:12 pm to geauxdroddz
quote:
In return the gameplan made it look worse...never even ATTEMPT to establish a run, long plays, no misdirection.
They had a total of 7 possessions in the game, 3 of which came after they went down by 14 points. At what point did they really have an opportunity to attempt to establish the run? The only two possessions they did not drive into the red zone started with a swing pass for -4 yards to Goodwin and a rush for no yards by Goodwin. They otherwise moved the ball successfully.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:17 pm to I20goon
BOOKMARK I20gGoon's last post, folks!
Great fodder for argument.
Great fodder for argument.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:23 pm to Sterling Archer
You can’t get blood out of a turnip we are just fat slow and weak
Posted on 9/6/22 at 6:22 pm to Damathe
quote:
I'll bite - why Brad on the L side of the line? Shorts was there all Spring and Fall.
Switch the Guards and that's what I was looking for when August started.
He struggled a lot on the right side this week. Wanna see what he would be able to do at a different position. Especially against a weaker opponent.
And he may of struggled because of the play at RT. Either way we need to see a change on the right side.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 6:28 pm to HotTakes
quote:. I agree with all of this but it is not unfair to question if Davis is any good. He basically has no track record for developing a OL on his own.
Question… you’re questioning Brad yet the man has been on the job for less than 2 years and this is his first recruiting class he has gotten in. Gotta give the man time. It’s not like James Creig helped the situation at all.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:01 pm to LSUdude247
quote:I'm sure we'll find out at the Thursday Press Conference if somebody has the good sense to ask.
He struggled a lot on the right side this week. Wanna see what he would be able to do at a different position. Especially against a weaker opponent.
And he may of struggled because of the play at RT. Either way we need to see a change on the right side.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:08 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:Curious, how many times and in how many threads will you continue to spout this incorrect statement?
QB is responsible for getting the OL lined up and help call out protection assignments.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:42 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
now we know why Bradford coudlnt claw his way onto the field prior to this.
He’s actually a good run blocker and his score there isn’t bad at all. But he needs a lot of work pass blocking.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:49 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
quote:
A 20.1 is so bad. All of those are awful. Our O line is an absolute joke, which is why we look so bad. We need to recruit heavy on the line
I believe his score is that low because of a flag or two. I read in another thread where they automatically give the player who was flagged a zero for that play.
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