re: O had two 20+ point home losses. Les had ZERO

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Les was objectively better than Saban at LSU. Also as to Kelly’s resume: he never won a BCS or CFP game. At a program given every possible advantage.

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It’s hard to believe you can pack this much stupidity into three sentences. Very impressive.

Saban won two SEC Titles and a championship while rebuilding a program. Miles took that and:

Squandered his 2nd best team in 2006 and ran his OC off.

Tried to blow 2007 and backed into the title game. At least he won this one.

Immediately had one of the worst title defense seasons in the BCS era and recent memory.

Squandered 2011 with one of the worst big stage head coaching performances of all time. There’s no debating this.

At the end of the day, Miles managed to win the same 2 SEC Titles and 1 championship that Saban did. It just took him a lot longer to do it in much less impressive fashion from a much better starting position that Saban handed him.

As for ND having “every possible advantage” This isn’t 1960.

Miles had a higher winning percentage over a longer period of time. And an undefeated season, which Saban didn’t even do in 03 - something that bothered the latter so badly that he went crying to the media and submitted a disingenuous coaches poll ballot for a do over.

As for Notre Dame, are you kidding me? They’re a national brand with unlimited donors, exclusive TV contracts and a nationwide recruiting base. They’re not tied to a conference, so they have the most schedule flexibility of any contender. They have as much if not more preferential treatment as Bama but haven’t been able to capitalize since Holtz.

Since Saban took over a program muchh closer in level to this one than any of Les’ or O’s, how about looking at him?

2001 44-15 loss to UF at home.
2002 31-0 loss to Bama at home

Bad losses happen. I am not defending the quality of play, but cherry-picking stats like this is just stupid.

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Miles can thank Brandon Harris for your moral victory, because he damn sure got his arse kicked all over Tiger Stadium for 3 quarters and 3/4 of the 4th by State in 2014. Let’s not forget that.

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Also lost 17-0 to a mediocre Arkansas team in probably the most lackadaisical performance I’ve ever seen from an LSU team. You could tell they didn’t show up to play from the opening kickoff.

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Miles had a higher winning percentage over a longer period of time. And an undefeated season, which Saban didn’t even do in 03 - something that bothered the latter so badly that he went crying to the media and submitted a disingenuous coaches poll ballot for a do over. As for Notre Dame, are you kidding me? They’re a national brand with unlimited donors, exclusive TV contracts and a nationwide recruiting base. They’re not tied to a conference, so they have the most schedule flexibility of any contender. They have as much if not more preferential treatment as Bama but haven’t been able to capitalize since Holtz.

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Saban took over a program that had to be completely rebuilt, from roster to recruiting to facilities and staffing. The fact that he accomplished as much as he did in only 5 seasons is pretty incredible, especially the facilities overhaul. This argument is absolutely moronic because what Saban did set the table for Miles to have all of that early success.

How in the frick can you make an argument that Miles had an “undefeated season,” as if that means anything. Saban won a title with one loss, but it was earned. Miles pissed away his undefeated season with one of the most cowardly and pathetic coaching performances in the history of the sport. There is no argument to be made between Miles and Saban because of that game. It defined where both of them would go and how they would be remembered. You can’t reach harder than using 2011 to prop up Miles in any way. fricking hell.

ND will never be a legitimate power in college football again as long as they hold to their academic and eligibility standards. None of the rest of what you mentioned means anything if they can’t get the players. And they can’t consistently. The class they have now that started out number 1 will likely fall several spots by signing day. That’s just how it is.

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How in the frick can you make an argument that Miles had an “undefeated season,” as if that means anything. Saban won a title with one loss, but it was earned. Miles pissed away his undefeated season with one of the most cowardly and pathetic coaching performances in the history of the sport. There is no argument to be made between Miles and Saban because of that game. It defined where both of them would go and how they would be remembered.

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This is a load of crap. Miles and LSU ran the table including beating Saban at his place. No one should give the bitchmade mulligan a shred of credibility.

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You live in a fricking fantasy world.

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You don’t understand the game.

LSU took care of Bama and was on to win the conference over a really good UGA team. Saban started a fresh gameplan for LSU and a whiny media campaign on November 6th, while Miles was concerned with winning hardware.

Couple an extra game against a top 15 team with Gregg Williams, deer antler spray, and the revenge factor and it should be clear as day why that farce never should have been played.

ETA: I’ll give you the end of the 2012 game as horrible coaching by CLM. Doesn’t take away from 2011 though, just should have been back to back.

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With a full crowd (so exclude 2020),

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could you add a few more qualifiers to make your point?

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trying to compare resumes when nothing is remotely similar

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You’re right, one has a National Championship and the other one doesn’t.

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And you don’t think O would have gotten transfers? We needed a kicker and a quarterback after 2017, and I’d say he got a pretty good one of each from the portal.

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And it’s because of Ed Orgeron that Kelly had to get transfers get it through your thick head Ed Orgeron ran the LSU program into the ground