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re: O deserves a lot more credit than most here give him.

Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:31 pm to
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But I'm more interested in the SECC and the playoff appearance than beating Bama.



so am I but you're not going to get there without beating Bama.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:32 pm to
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So you chose 2 different seasons


What does it matter? The program was diving. I've posted it hundreds of times but your memory is awful, but any coach going through that stretch should be fired. Oarticulatprly when they refuse to admit the problem
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:33 pm to
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Troy


Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:34 pm to
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What does it matter? The program was diving. I've posted it hundreds of times but your memory is awful, but any coach going through that stretch should be fired. Oarticulatprly when they refuse to admit the problem



You can determine whether or not a program is diving from 5 losses in two different seasons, vs decent competition?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:34 pm to
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You can determine whether or not a program is diving from 5 losses


Absolutely. If you couldn't, that's on you.

Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:35 pm to
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It also proves its not hard


This might be a stretch. Considering what talent we did have last year at RB, a new QB, and some of the issues with the D-line...10 wins might have been our ceiling.

Miles had some teams with MUCH more talent than what we had last year at the skill positions and still managed to barely eke out a 10 win season. This coupled with what I felt was a stale offense, was infuriating.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:38 pm to
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What does it matter?


Because youre picking an arbitrary section of games and acting like those losses would be acceptable as long as they were spaced out more. Its crazy talk. Losing 3 games out of 10 is the same regardless of when those losses happen.
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but your memory is awful, 

Its not. I like for you to display your clearly biased time frame so everyone can see you twist yourself into a pretzel defending a 4 and 3 loss season as of its not the type of season we deemed underachieving for the last regime.
For gods sakes you said Troy was more talented than Lsu so you wouldnt have to address coaching.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86193 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:40 pm to
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Is he not making the changes that most of us got so angrily frustrated with Miles for not making? Would we have ever seen the RPO under Miles? Hell no. O's making some very progressive decisions towards bringing our passing game into the modern era, and by hiring a young, inventive mind like Joe Brady, we may just be witnessing an era where LSU actually sets the standard for passing across college football.


He was hired in 2015. He's been part of this club and it's now 2019. So, it took him 4 years of being around the majority of this staff and any player he didn't recruit to come to these realizations.

Just tired of the excuses. He sat there and said everything opposite of Les, yet did the same exact shite we bashed and continue to bash Les for. And he still hasn't bested Miles last full season.

So while I like the direction it is going, he needs to recruit the dline better. And he needs to hire an OC that fits what he wants to do.

He has failed at his two biggest hires so far.
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297062 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:40 pm to
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Because youre picking an arbitrary section of games


Theres nothing arbitrary about it.

In 2014-2016, Miles lost 10 games while winning 19. The program was diving.

Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:41 pm to
He also said he's expecting this offense to be top 15ish. I want to see how he wriggles his way out of that one.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:42 pm to
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This might be a stretch. Considering what talent we did have last year at RB, a new QB, and some of the issues with the D-line...10 wins might have been our ceiling


We are more talented than Florida and a&m. No one that gets oaid to evaluate talent has lsu has anything but one of the top 8 most talented teams in cfb.
We just lost our 2 best players and we will be highly rated because of our talent.
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Miles had some teams with MUCH more talent than what we had last year at the skill positions and still managed to barely eke out a 10 win season. This coupled with what I felt was a stale offense, was infuriating.

Miles needed to go. I just refuse to act like losing 4 and 3 games is some massive achievement considering the talent at lsu. Those frustrating offenses were more productive than anything O has put out. That is whats frustrating to me. Hoe the frick do you let a Miles coaches offense vastly out produce you?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:44 pm to
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Theres nothing arbitrary about it. 



Youre choosing games from 2 different seasons that wouldve probably produced back to back 10 win seasons and you're claiming it isnt arbitrary?

If only Lsu has played scrubs in November of 2015 you'd have been fine with it.

Thats straight ignorant.
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 12:47 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297062 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:46 pm to
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Youre choosing games from 2 different seasons


If you lose the last three games of one season, and the next three of another, you've still lost 6 straight, correct?
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
17733 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:47 pm to
It's good to see O winning the offseason again. Now let's see if he can finish higher than third in the SEC West.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78286 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:47 pm to
Factually correct

Whether that means much is a different story.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:48 pm to
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you lose the last three games of one season, and the next three of another, you've still lost 6 straight, correc


If those are the only 3 youve lost in those years that is back to back 10 win seasons, correct?
Something you said is Acceptable at lsu.
You said that. Stop changing your stance on 10 win seasons because we are now talking about Miles.

You said.....
10 wins every year is acceptable.
Why is it different for miles?
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:49 pm to
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Some of the posters here have had some sort of personal grudge against him since he was hired and I don’t understand why.


It's all the Less Miles defenders.

They suck and can go cheer for Kansas
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36842 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:49 pm to
I hope if Goldrush 25, Rickdaddy or Lunchbox are ever on a milk carton, billboard or are missing that their families get in contact with Chicken and have someone make a positive post about Orgeron.The search would be over in 45 seconds.

Its like a dog whistle.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297062 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:50 pm to
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If thise are the only 3 youve lost that is back to back 10 win seasons, correct?


Answer the question without moving the goalposts

From 2014-fired, Miles record was 19-10, correct?

Over his last 9 games, he was 4-5, correct?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60792 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:51 pm to
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WTF does that even mean? If he wins 10 championship I’m going to say it was a pretty good hire


What he means is you can’t judge a decision (any decision) based on the results. I know most people find that incredibly stupid but you don’t know the results when you make the decision so you go with the information at the time and for most of us O was not close to the best hire we could have made. That does not mean he can’t or won’t do well.
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