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re: Nuss through first 4 games

Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:41 am to
Posted by Reece Bobby
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:41 am to
Print the cups?
Posted by LSUDonMCO
Orlando
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:42 am to
I think they told him not to run, but I think when we get to games that matter like Ole Miss and Bama, he will run if its there and it will get a first down or TD.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:45 am to
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But he needs to run more"


When we run the dive play into a wall with the ends crashing down, yes, he does need to occasionally pull the ball and get 5-10 yards.

It’ll help the running game moving forward.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:59 am to
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In fairness, he would not throw the ball downfield very much at all in 2022. He did in 2023.


Yeah it took a season, and three games the next, before he broke his tendency of tucking the ball and running, when pressured, instead of looking downfield and throwing. Once he did that he turned into a Heisman Trophy winner.
Too bad he didn't have a QB Coach like Coach Sloan, early in his career.
What a change.
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:09 am to
I’ve seen him run in previous year’s when he’s been in the game. I want to say he kept a zone read against GA in SECCG. It really makes no sense why he hasn’t kept it more unless the coaches are that afraid of Swann or Collins having to go in.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:16 am to
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He does, and our running scheme needs to improve so he's not throwing so much. His efficiency will improve if both things happen, which is good for LSU.

He's doing fine considering our running issues and having such a high passing volume, though.

You are alluding to it, but the emphasis needs to be on Kelly, Sloan, Brad and Frank getting their shite together and getting an effective run game. Do this and the passing game will get even better. We are one dimensional because our run scheme is basic and our world class OL gets no push.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:39 am to
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I think they told him not to run, but I think when we get to games that matter like Ole Miss and Bama, he will run if its there and it will get a first down or TD.



We lost to USC and almost lost to USCe. Those games mattered

He needs to tuck and go for 4-5 yards and slide a few times a game to keep the linebackers honest and open up the middle of the field. Right now when he rolls out they all sit back in the passing lanes. Take what the defense gives us in this regard and the offense will improve.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Um, why? Especially if we can create a running game.


Yes in theory. But jeez its pretty damn high now. If you expect it to noticeably get high you must be expecting perfection.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:32 pm to
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In fairness, he would not throw the ball downfield very much at all in 2022. He did in 2023.
In fairness, Nuss has all these completions because he isn't running the ball at all. See how i can also do that?

Listen, Nuss has exactly FOUR attempts in 4 games. Two of those are sacks.

Nuss would rather a 3-5 yard pass than a possible 10 yard run with that catcher being a blocker when he takes off. There are almost no QBs that don't run, that are on ranked teams. Even UGA's QB has 55 yards on 11 carries in 3 games.

I don't understand why yall can't easily admit Nuss refuses to run, like yall admit Daniels refused to throw deep. However, he broke out of that later in the season. Will Nuss start to run later in the season? Nuss could pick up first downs by simply taking off. And why in the hell arent we doing tush pushes with him on 3rd/4th and 1/goal?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33351 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:34 pm to
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He does

Stahhp, he doesnt. We dont have the luxury of a potential Heisman at back-up, like we did last year


Defenses are hoping QBs run
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11492 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:37 pm to
The O-line sucking at run blocking will make him into a Heisman candidate after all.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16506 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Nuss would rather a 3-5 yard pass than a possible 10 yard run with that catcher being a blocker when he takes off.

If our receivers can't block on WR or RB screens, what makes you think they can block on a QB scramble? I watch other teams tie up our DBs and get chunk yards on the plays we only get 3-5.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465526 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:43 pm to
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But jeez its pretty damn high now. I

His efficiency isn't that high.

His YPA is 60th

His YPC is 91st

His efficiency rating is 35th

He's got some room to grow in terms of efficiency
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:44 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:20 pm
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16506 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:50 pm to
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Stat don't mean much for the team if he is not able to convert on 3rd or 4th and prevent punting.

We are currently 16th in CFB in 3rd down conversion at 50%. That's pretty good. If we did better at converting 3rd and 1 or 2 it would be higher.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:59 pm to
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"But he needs to run more"


The first time he keeps on that read option he'll run for 30 yards at least.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28939 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:01 pm to
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You are alluding to it, but the emphasis needs to be on Kelly, Sloan, Brad and Frank getting their shite together and getting an effective run game. Do this and the passing game will get even better. We are one dimensional because our run scheme is basic and our world class OL gets no push.
What do you think the difference between last year and this year is? LSU ran mostly inside zone last year and still ate the frick out of defenses. In a 6 week span, when Diggs was healthy, and given more than 9 carries, he had at least 97 yards and a TD at no less than 5.3 ypc. Williams averaged 5.16, Kaleb Jackson averaged 5.3. Why now are they averaging less? Im starting to believe it has nothing to do with the coaches. LSU's players are not executing. These same players executed last year though.

There are two fundamental differences;

1. Nuss doesn't run, AT ALL. Nuss doesn't provide any deception running the ball. He doesn't add anything to the run game at all. He's actually a detriment.

2. Nuss rarely throws deep and most of the time he is overthrowing the guy. That's why somebody like Hilton is needed. His speed is the only thing that can catch up to passes Nuss is throwing 3-4 yards over players' heads. Daniels averaged a 40 yard passing play every 6 completions. Nuss averages a 40 yard passing play every 37.6 completions. Daniels was literally one 40 yard pass play off in 2022 from being around the same as Nuss is this year. Basically im saying, Nuss is essentially Daniels when talking about the lack of deep ball threat. He made up for it with running though.

Nuss not connecting deep AND not being a runner is keeping them coming after the runners and crashing inside too much. We praised Burrow for being tough as shite. Nuss needs to have some faith and take the frick off a couple times. The man is already taking hits passing the ball, at least when you run, you can dictate if you get hit or not. He's not freaking slow. Again, he's going to have 4k yards and 40 TDs if he plays 13 games, but that's because he's throwing 40 times a game. We've become Colorado on offense
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
11760 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:27 pm to
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keeps the ball on an RPO


RPO and Zone Read aren't the same thing.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16506 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:29 pm to
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What do you think the difference between last year and this year is? LSU ran mostly inside zone last year and still ate the frick out of defenses. In a 6 week span, when Diggs was healthy, and given more than 9 carries, he had at least 97 yards and a TD at no less than 5.3 ypc. Williams averaged 5.16, Kaleb Jackson averaged 5.3. Why now are they averaging less? Im starting to believe it has nothing to do with the coaches. LSU's players are not executing. These same players executed last year though.

Either way, there is a serious problem. I don't care if Nuss sat in a lawn chair in the pocket, there is no excuse not being able to run the ball vs Nicholls. Period!

It would certainly help if Nuss ran more, but we have a pass game that is moving the ball and I've seen film breakdowns that indicate teams are not loading the box. They even talked about USC putting safeties over the top to defend the deep pass. We can't convert 3rd and 1 against lesser opponents? Nuss can do more little things to help out, but others are failing at their basic duties and QB is way, way down the list of issues.

Consistency on deep throws can improve. It took both Burrow and JD time as well. I would recommend rewatching the deep throw to Anderson vs USCe. Anderson was not open when he threw and Nuss was hit immediately afetr the throw. The throw to Parker last game as well. A the announcers said, he could have walked down and handed it to him and it wouldn't have been any better. He also had a deep sideline throw to Lacy that would have been on target if Lacy was held (PI was called).
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33351 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:26 pm to
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There are almost no QBs that dont run

Heisman candidate Sanders: 35 rushes - 10 yds
#1 Texas, Ewers: 5 rushes - 1 yd
#1 Texas, Manning: 6 rushes - 39 yds (from one 67 yd carry. One)
#3 OSU, Howard: 8 rushes - 22 yds
#8 Ore, Gabriel: 18 rushes - 26 yds (from one 54 yd run. One)
#10 Utah, Rising: 6 rushes - OUT (injured while tucking and running)
#12 Mich, Orji: 32 yds passing vs USC. 32!!
#13 USC, Moss: 8 rushes - (-28) yds (thats negative 28 yds)
#15 Lou, Shough: 7 rushes - 15 yds
#17 Clem, Klubnik: 10 rushes - 58 yds (from one 55 yd carry. One)
#18 ISU, Becht: 12 rushes - 18 yds
#20 OKst Bowman: 7 rushes - 7 yds


Stop making up shite.

Here are the top running QBs by proficiency. Wanna look up where they are ranked?
quote:

1 John Mateer WSU
2 Taylen Green ARK
3 Blake Horvath NAVY
4 Gio Lopez USA
5 Riley Leonard ND
6 Matthew Sluka UNLV
7 Hunter Watson SHSU
8 Bryson Daily ARMY

We had a Heisman runner QB, and never finished in 12 team playoff contention
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