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re: Now even more confident Wade will be at LSU once NC State loses

Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:22 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:22 am to
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Come on. You're not that naive. The SEC and major conference program were "cheating" back then as well. Wade was plucking his share of blue chip guys. But it wasn't like he was getting full starting 5's of All American prospects like Michigan or UNLV, or others, were in the 90's


NIL has objectively changed the landscape of college sports. The transfer portal, even more so. It’s crazy to me that you think that is a naive statement.

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Back then the best programs, by and large, in the conference were Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee. Fast forward to today, Auburn has the wrong Pearl. Kentucky ran off Cal...to get worse. Alabama has remained consistent. Tennessee has remained consistent and Arkansas has gotten better. However, both have aging coaches. Florida's ascent to dominance has been the biggest change. Otherwise, you have a few great programs at the top (Florida and Alabama) and then a group of others that can be anywhere in the 6-11 seed range.


The SEC is different, and again, objectively, a stronger conference vs what it was when Wade last coached in it.
Posted by Texjohnson
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2020
152 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:37 am to
Massive copium. Why on earth would he want to come back to this dump, He's out of our league
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 12:06 pm to
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NIL has objectively changed the landscape of college sports. The transfer portal, even more so. It’s crazy to me that you think that is a naive statement.


All NIL has done is bring what was already happening behind the scenes out into the open. Do you really think AAU basketball existed because of it being an altruistic youth development league? It was a marketplace for the selling of basketball talent. Hell, Wade was just one of several coaches, at several schools, who had communications with one of countless "runners" selling players.

Yes, gone are the days where coaches develop players/rosters over the course of several years. You need a guy who can generate the funds, identify and sign players, coach them for one year, then start over and do it again. Wade's team struggled to win down the stretch this season and STILL, with a totally new roster, improved upon NC State win total last year by 8 games.

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290870 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 12:43 pm to
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NIL has done is bring what was already happening behind the scenes out into the open.


Pretty simple yes or no question: do you think everyone was cheating on the same, equal level?

If you have a coach that is good at skating the rules, and you take that advantage away, it changes who that coach is.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
5030 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:06 pm to
Wade was nowhere near the best cheater.

The infrastructure at Duke CACKLES at Wade's efforts.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70660 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:13 pm to
Plenty of cheaters at LSU, Wade is just the only one certain “fans” will tell you has done it even though that’s not what he was sanctioned for.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91083 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:15 pm to
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Tate was told to look elsewhere. That’s a nice way of saying you’re fired.

Enrollment grew bc admission standards were lowered DA


frick tate and his DEi and covid vax BS.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
290870 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:16 pm to
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Wade was nowhere near the best cheater.


Oh he was terrible at it in the long run.

But to pretend every coach was as brazen as he was would be crazy. There are coaches who were much more selective in their ways when it boiled down to I’m sure.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:28 pm to
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Pretty simple yes or no question: do you think everyone was cheating on the same, equal level?


Yes.

If you were major conf. program signing op 100 (maybe even 150 and beyond) HS prospects, there were impermissible benefits/payments.

LINK

The link above identifies players at NUMEROUS schools suspected of potential impermissible benefits/payments. Kentucky, Michigan, USC, Alabama, Duke, Michigan St, Seton Hall, Washington, South Carolina, Louisville, Xavier, Kansas, Clemson, Vanderbilt, on and on and on, including LSU...under Johnny Jones. Wade was signing some big time prospects. But so was Johnnie Jones.

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If you have a coach that is good at skating the rules, and you take that advantage away, it changes who that coach is.


It's not that Wade was "good at skating the rules". In fact, some might argue he wasn't. It's that he was good at getting the money to make the "strong arse" offers. He was good at convincing business people in Lake Charles to invest into a program that had never been good or relevant. That fundraising aspect hasn't changed. In fact, it's more important than ever.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:40 pm to
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Yes.


Lol

Not even going to read the rest of your post. Just a flat out crazy Madking-like answer
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:44 pm to
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Lol

Not even going to read the rest of your post. Just a flat out crazy Madking-like answer


Sorry you don't like counterarguments with a basis of support for the argument. Of course, how could anyone expect that to stand up in the face of such robust evidence as "trust me bro"
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290870 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:53 pm to
Any logical person would assume there were levels to cheating. Some being less afraid of the consequences than others. Ignorant that you would think otherwise
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
15873 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:57 pm to
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Tate was told to look elsewhere. That’s a nice way of saying you’re fired. Enrollment grew bc admission standards were lowered
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frick tate and his DEi and covid vax BS.
Good Ole CRT had to "lower standards" in order to get more "Minorities" into the "Superbly Woke" University of LSU.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
11087 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:01 pm to
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Not even going to read the rest of your post. Just a flat out crazy Madking-like answer

In what world was his response a crazy, Madking-like answer?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290870 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:08 pm to
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what world was his response a crazy, Madking-like answer?



Do you think some coaches took cheating further than others, or everyone cheated in the same exact manner?
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
5030 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:18 pm to
Coach K at Duke had everything set up for him. All the big schools do it that way. LSU had it with Dale. LSU football had/has the "system " set up.

Wade was very unlucky. Dawkins probably spent dozens of hours on the phone with any number of coaches more famous than Wade.

For whatever reason, the Wade/Dawkins call was emphasized by the FBI investigation and/or media.

The last Coach that was remotely possible to have been clean IMO was Bobby Knight. And if he was clean, how in the hell did he get Isiah Thomas out of Chicago?

To all you dorks screaming Wade's a cheater! You may as well be screaming he's a breather! Also.
This post was edited on 3/18/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
5030 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:22 pm to
You think there are clean programs that win big??

You do reside in the real world, right??
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
5030 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:24 pm to
The only levels of cheating there are pertain to how in demand a particular recruit is.

Everybody from Wooden to today that has won anything of significance has PISSED all over the recruiting rules. Do you still believe in Santa???
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
84195 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:29 pm to
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Do you still believe in Santa???


Huh?? Santa is real
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 3/18/26 at 2:31 pm to
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Any logical person would assume there were levels to cheating. Some being less afraid of the consequences than others. Ignorant that you would think otherwise


And Wade wasn't doing it at a level well beyond what most power conf. schools were doing. The same year Wade signed Ried, Smart, Days, Williams, VANDERBILT signed 3 top 50 players. Two in the top 10.

Where Wade was good was getting the money and leveraging his connections. Smart was a Baton Rouge kid. Greg Heier was well connected in Florida (see Williams and Days). Bill Armstrong had a long standing relationship in Birmingham with the Watford family. Wade, himself, is deeply connected in the Virginia, Baltimore and Philly regions. That's why you saw guys like Thomas (Virginia), Murray (Baltimore) come to LSU. It's why Tyrell Ward (D.C.) was a target before Wade was fired. He has guys from the same regions on his NC State team.

He wasn't going out and simply offering every top 20 prospect massive amounts of money. The only outlier there was Naz Reid. He was selective about how he used what he had. Find the connection first...then negotiate the terms...that's how most of the recruiting is done outside of programs like Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc.
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