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re: NFL Draft - Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:33 am to BMoney
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:33 am to BMoney
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Lots of bashing going on here, but I sure remember Chris Mortensen, Jesse Palmer, and Peyton Manning giving JJ glowing reviews at the Manning Camp last July, all saying he was the most impressive QB there not named Andrew Luck.
No doubt about this. JJ lit up the Manning camp and will improve his stock even more in the upcoming SEC and BCS Championship games.
Jordan throws one of the best deep balls available in this year's draft and is starting to get compared to Jason Campbell. Given the opportunity to mature in a a run first/PA pass offense, JJ could be a competent back-up QB for many years in the NFL and maybe even get a shot to start...
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:35 am to PortCityTiger24
Jefferson is light years better than tebow right now.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:35 am to LSUFreek
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I think the OP is lumping all "draft experts" in with the one guy (linked yesterday on the Rant) that thinks JJ will get drafted.
No - I don't fall in line with Bill Trocchi. Sorry, dude's an idiot.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:36 am to ChemE in the OP
Trying to look at this objectively:
-JJ has a lot of raw, physical tools the NFL likes (good arm, great size, athleticism)
-His decision making can best be described as "questionable"
-He has a protracted release, which hurts his chances.
-He's not an overly accurate passer (completion % is one thing, ball placement, entirely another)
-NFL offenses are looking more and more for guys that can run at the QB position, so that increases his value.
My stance coming into the year was that he had little to no chance to be drafted. I think that was partially shaded by my own frustrations with his enigmatic play (up and down, up and down) over the course of his career.
I do think he will be drafted, mostly because he's "toolsy" as baseball analysts would say. I don't feel like he has any realistic chance to be a great pro, though.
-JJ has a lot of raw, physical tools the NFL likes (good arm, great size, athleticism)
-His decision making can best be described as "questionable"
-He has a protracted release, which hurts his chances.
-He's not an overly accurate passer (completion % is one thing, ball placement, entirely another)
-NFL offenses are looking more and more for guys that can run at the QB position, so that increases his value.
My stance coming into the year was that he had little to no chance to be drafted. I think that was partially shaded by my own frustrations with his enigmatic play (up and down, up and down) over the course of his career.
I do think he will be drafted, mostly because he's "toolsy" as baseball analysts would say. I don't feel like he has any realistic chance to be a great pro, though.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:36 am to ChemE in the OP
As an NFL QB, he'll make a hell of a Tight End.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:37 am to ChemE in the OP
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Jordan throws one of the best deep balls available in this year's draft
I'm trying discuss this topic without being deemed a hater.
That being said, I'm not even sure JJ throws the best deep ball on the team, let alone among all the QBs in the draft.
JJ has a lot of skills- I'm not sure how well they translate though.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:37 am to ChemE in the OP
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Jordan will be taken as a 5th or 6th round project QB in the upcoming draft. Despite the LSU rantards that believe he has nothing to offer, the NFL scouts see a proven winner, a physical prototype, and an NFL caliber arm.
I don't know if the rantards ever made that argument but Colleges don't have the years to invest in projects that the NFL has.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:37 am to Philosoraptor
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And remember that most scouts focus on the physical aspects of a player more than his mechanics.
Mechanics can be taught, physical aspects can't. If Jefferson ends up with a good coach in the right system, I could see how he could make an NFL roster.
This post was edited on 12/2/11 at 10:38 am
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:38 am to OBUDan
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-He has a protracted release, which hurts his chances.
-He's not an overly accurate passer (completion % is one thing, ball placement, entirely another)
These are definitely two of the major concerns. Footwork is the other but pro QB coaches are confident they can improve this...
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:38 am to TigerSpy
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As an NFL QB, he'll make a hell of a Tight End.
Are you an NFL QB? Am I reading this right?
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:40 am to NOLA Razorback
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What NFL team wants a QB that can only run an option system?
Although not necessarily an option system, Tim Tebow seems to be putting people like you to shame. Proving that the traditional quarterback isn't the only thing that wins NFL games.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:40 am to GFunk
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I'm not sure I said he's incapable of running a pro-style offense. So I'm not sure what you're on about there, though I'll say that he's proven to have a whale of a time running an offense out of a primarily pro-formation set efficiently.
Which is what he'd be asked to do in the NFL.
He's no Cam Newton, nor is he Tim Tebow. Those are the only two cats that are taking snaps in the Spread for zone-reads & sprint-options in the NFL right now.
*Disclaimer-MANY NFL QB's take snaps in the shotgun in a spread formation to PASS the ball. But JJ ain't about to take over an offense akin to Rodgers, Brady, or your boy Breesus
No one is comparing JJ to Rodgers, Brady, or Brees and there arent many QBs that can take over offenses that they run. The argument isn't if JJ will be one of the top QB's in the draft or league.
This thread is about JJ possibly being a LATE round draft pick and getting a shot in the NFL. And JJ has shown he has tools that could earn him that shot.
We definitely are a run first team, but JJ is a pass first QB. Watch the throws he makes against Arkansas, deep outs, slants, throwing on the run. He has an NFL caliber arm. And there are plenty of teams that take shots on late round QBs that have shown a lot less than Jefferson.
hell Matt Mauck got drafted
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:40 am to OBUDan
As a sidenote, a lot of people ascribe to the "Parcells Theory" of drafting QBs. Here are his credentials:
1) Must be a Senior - Check for JJ
2) Must be a Graduate - Will be a check for JJ
3) Must be a three-year starter - Check for JJ
4) Must have 23 college wins - Easy check for JJ
Doesn't really mean anything IMO, but interesting, I thought.
1) Must be a Senior - Check for JJ
2) Must be a Graduate - Will be a check for JJ
3) Must be a three-year starter - Check for JJ
4) Must have 23 college wins - Easy check for JJ
Doesn't really mean anything IMO, but interesting, I thought.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:40 am to Philosoraptor
Two Words: Stephen McGee
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:41 am to ChemE in the OP
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These are definitely two of the major concerns. Footwork is the other but pro QB coaches are confident they can improve this...
I would agree, most of his flaws will be deemed "coachable."
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:43 am to ChemE in the OP
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Given the opportunity to mature in a a run first/PA pass offense
only way he makes it as a pro QB imo.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:44 am to ATLTiger
If Tyler Palko can start in the NFL, I think JJ can.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:44 am to OBUDan
I got to give it to you dan.
You have surpassed couple others and are now officially TD's JJ biggest fan.
We have an seccg and nccg in the near future and for some reasons a few of you are really really concerned about this topic.
WHatever floats your boat.
You have surpassed couple others and are now officially TD's JJ biggest fan.
We have an seccg and nccg in the near future and for some reasons a few of you are really really concerned about this topic.
WHatever floats your boat.
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:45 am to ChemE in the OP
Not a flame, but I think the most important aspect of a quarterback in the pros is accuracy. If you look at Jordan's completion percentages for his career, I don't think they are very good?
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:46 am to EarthwormJim
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Watch the throws he makes against Arkansas, deep outs, slants, throwing on the run. He has an NFL caliber arm. And there are plenty of teams that take shots on late round QBs that have shown a lot less than Jefferson.
People don't take this type of thing into consideration enough.
There is notable difference between what we asked Lee to do/throw than what we ask JJ to do throw. It's not a slight on Lee either, it's just being realistic about his abilities. He can't make those type of throws... he doesn't have the arm for it.
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