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re: New OTL article on Lyles/LSU
Posted on 7/21/11 at 12:46 am to cfredi1
Posted on 7/21/11 at 12:46 am to cfredi1
If we get busted it wont be for the 6k thats all im getting at. And all the other shite is he said she said. So who are you going to believe? Les miles, or a supposed low life street agent that has never even claimed he was tight with miles. That came from other peoples mouths. Has lyles even claimed he and hayley are tight? One person can say he went wuth brick, then another can say he didnt and was asked to leave.
Everyone cheats. Even schools like ul. Its all about covering ur tracks. Its like the steroids bullshite. You got people who will deny til they die and others who will write a book ab it. The end of they dsy people are just worrued about the money.
Everyone cheats. Even schools like ul. Its all about covering ur tracks. Its like the steroids bullshite. You got people who will deny til they die and others who will write a book ab it. The end of they dsy people are just worrued about the money.
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Posted on 7/21/11 at 12:59 am to dgnx6
I think if we were in any danger, Miles would have jumped ship to Michigan. I know I would have.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 1:06 am to DVA Tailgater
Yeah i thought ab that to. He could be as dumb as people say. But then again people said hed be dumb for leaving cus lsu sits on a gold mine. Which i dont believe. We are seeing first hand how hard it is to keep up ur recruiting. We live in a poor arse state. People dont just flock to louisiana.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 1:14 am to dgnx6
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We are seeing first hand how hard it is to keep up ur recruiting.
We have a great class going ATM. WTF are you talking about?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 1:19 am to BayouBlitz
Um the cheating. WTF are you talking about. We are paying 6k while others 26 and 200k.
I say we do an awesome job considering all tge shady shite that goes on. And people get so pissed when a player leaves the state. They cant believe it.
I say we do an awesome job considering all tge shady shite that goes on. And people get so pissed when a player leaves the state. They cant believe it.
This post was edited on 7/21/11 at 1:22 am
Posted on 7/21/11 at 1:50 am to dgnx6
if LSU was cheating with Lyles I doubt it was small potatoes like 6k
frankly i doubt it was with Lyles period because they put him on the books
so far I haven't seen anything from LSU to make me think they are guilty of wrongdoing - and it would be wonderful if people were to FOI all teh recruiting records from the major BCS schools. Even the small time players like Oregon State are paying over 40K a year to recruiting services.
Are we really interested in a more thoughtful discussion of college football recruiting and recruiting services? Well, for starters they can go after what is actually on teh books and ask the other schools spending similar sums to justify their figures. So far it sounds like Cal and Oregon are a lot less able to do this than LSU
frankly i doubt it was with Lyles period because they put him on the books
so far I haven't seen anything from LSU to make me think they are guilty of wrongdoing - and it would be wonderful if people were to FOI all teh recruiting records from the major BCS schools. Even the small time players like Oregon State are paying over 40K a year to recruiting services.
Are we really interested in a more thoughtful discussion of college football recruiting and recruiting services? Well, for starters they can go after what is actually on teh books and ask the other schools spending similar sums to justify their figures. So far it sounds like Cal and Oregon are a lot less able to do this than LSU
Posted on 7/21/11 at 1:53 am to dgnx6
Haven't read through the whole thread, but what are the chances of LSU making it out of this without more penalties? I know the initial allegations aren't anything big, but this honestly sounds like a "where there's smoke, there's fire" type thing. Plus, the NCAA has been on witch hunts lately, and LSU could easily be next on their list. Add in the fact that LSU just got put on probation, and this could turn out very bad for LSU. Not saying it will happen, and I'm more playing Devil's Advocate here than anything, but this definitely has a chance of happening. That would suck, because even if LSU is cheating, I am under the firm belief that every team violates recruiting rules. It would be unfortunate for LSU to get in major trouble for something everybody is doing, just like it sucks that Ohio State got in serious trouble and Oregon most likely will too.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 2:35 am to turkleton
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what are the chances of LSU making it out of this without more penalties?
this may be a near all or nothing situation
if lyles is deemed as a booster for lsu, cal, or oregon (that is, he is recruiting for them rather than just providing information) then pretty much any contact he has been having with recruits is a violation and the question is one of how much punishment the schools should receive.
if he is a third party (because he is not recruiting or swaying kids to a particular school) then I really can't see a way the schools should be punished for whatever he is doing on the side (he can give a kid a ride or buy them a hamburger - which would both be violations if he were a booster)
atm there is some evidence he is not exclusively promoting kids to a particular school (for example taking lache to Cal or several recruits to LSU - none of whom signed with that school). There are also suspicions that he may have used his influence (esp with oregon because they paid more) but the worst thing that has really emerged about them is an apparent desire to manufacture records retroactively - that is a problem because it may mean teh NCAA will view them less charitably even if there were no initial violations
Posted on 7/21/11 at 4:06 am to turkleton
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Haven't read through the whole thread, but what are the chances of LSU making it out of this without more penalties?
Pretty good. Basically from the info we have the only wrong doing could be between lyles and lache. And if lyles paid for lache to visit lsu, while lyles was on lsu payroll. But lache would prob have to come out and say that, which would also prob put his current school sin a lot of trouble.
quote:Also means NCAA will look even harder and could find something. think whats going on is these school sare playing the game and are finding loopholes until the ncaa changes rules and they just find more. Its been going on for years. Like what was posted earlier we spend 1/3 of our recruiting coordinators salary on this info. His big deal is LA. LSU is saving money by going this route and so are almost every other school. Just dont have money and resources to have these guys track down recruits all over the country.
that is a problem because it may mean teh NCAA will view them less charitably even if there were no initial violations
Now we dont know any new info we havent already seen or heard.
This post was edited on 7/21/11 at 4:12 am
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:12 am to molsusports
quote:this
lyles is a rounding error on the LSU/TAF budget.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:20 am to Dick Burleson
Doesn't make us look good either
And I suppose Saban and company do not buy in to these programs?...right..
And I suppose Saban and company do not buy in to these programs?...right..
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:23 am to BayouBlitz
Paying for crappy video isn't a violation. Or meaningless video mixed in with legit ones. There is no stipulation of the quality of media bought.
It was only $6000. Did you expect HD video of full games that isolates only one player?
Whereas Oregon paid $25,000 for the same thing,..that's why NCAA is digging....what did Oregon really pay for?...they are just using LSU as a comparison for buying the same thing....END OF STORY...we've done nothing WRONG...
It was only $6000. Did you expect HD video of full games that isolates only one player?
Whereas Oregon paid $25,000 for the same thing,..that's why NCAA is digging....what did Oregon really pay for?...they are just using LSU as a comparison for buying the same thing....END OF STORY...we've done nothing WRONG...
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:47 am to laxtonto
They want credit for taking down someone BIG...! Cal isn't worth their time apparently. F#ck em...
Ghost hunt is all this is....nothing to see here, move along.
Ghost hunt is all this is....nothing to see here, move along.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:48 am to laxtonto
LSU got what 32 dvds from Lyles for the $6,000? If each dvd contained an hour of footage that is 32 hours of viewing time. Do you think that maybe some of those dvds actually contained information on the few athletes LSU's coaches were specifically interested in? Do you think it would have been a wise investment in time and resources for Lyles, or anyone else, to review and edit out just the information LSU was looking for? Not at a $6,000 price. If you are the vendor you just give them everything you've got, and let the buyer use the bits they want. I would hope that Lyles provided LSU with a table of contents or index of who was on which dvd, and if so I think OTL is engaging in sensationalism.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:50 am to tiger chaser
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And I suppose Saban and company do not buy in to these programs?...right..
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In the past three seasons, Alabama has a BCS national title and has claimed multiple recruiting titles by various recruiting services. The Crimson Tide have also spent $218,628 on services to provide the athletic department with recruiting information, The Birmingham News reported.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 7:56 am to The ATL
Lyles was an employee of other scouting services that LSU paid in the past. What goods and/or services did LSU purchase from those companies? What did LSU purchase in 2008 and 2009 from those companies? The quote you used implies LSU bought nothing except Lyles' influence. But influence on whom?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 8:30 am to Poodlebrain
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I would hope that Lyles provided LSU with a table of contents or index of who was on which dvd, and if so I think OTL is engaging in sensationalism.
This. There really is nothing to this story. ESPN is becoming worse than TMZ or the National Enquirer. They are now becoming the story rather than simply reporting it.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 8:37 am to drexyl
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how the frick are we supposed to know that? or that the exact clip is on YouTube?
that's the easy part to verify, what's subjective is if the stuff was "worthless" or if the material was poor quality.
There is no way on god's green earth those guy's watched that stuff with an open mind.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 8:39 am to H-Town Tiger
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that's the easy part to verify, what's subjective is if the stuff was "worthless" or if the material was poor quality.
There is no way on god's green earth those guy's watched that stuff with an open mind.
And the article said "some of the video." What about the rest of the video?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 9:21 am to laxtonto
This is looking pretty bad for Miles and Company. Seriously. They should not be in bed with a scumbag like this.
I see some pretty serious consequences coming down the pike for LSU and Oregon in regard to this stuff and it is deserved in my opinion.
I see some pretty serious consequences coming down the pike for LSU and Oregon in regard to this stuff and it is deserved in my opinion.
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