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re: Negatigers & Positigers: let's meet in the middle with this article:
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:09 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:09 pm to ballscaster
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Previous results suggest that this can happen again. No previous results suggest the opposite.
We sunshine pumpers have the convenience of deducing that it is somewhat likely that LSU will soon again ascend to the throne under its current regime.
Negatigers only speculate that Miles' best days are behind him.
In terms of the scientific method, we are in the second round of the testing phase, and the negatigers are lagging in the hypothesis and prediction phases. We are ahead of them logically since we put more reasonable thought into our opinions.
Yet, it's not the same situation. LSU in 2008 and 2009 was not in the situation it is in 2014. In those years, it was clear that coaching changes were affecting the defense. Outside of RP and a lack of legitimate QBs, recruiting was solid. Also, coaching on offense was suspect with Crowton who had a poor history developing QBs.
This situations is youth mixed with poor coaching and we aren't replacing DCs, we aren't likely going to replace any coaches. That is what helped shift things. That and a ton of luck.
Poor recruiting on the DL and the disaster of 2012 are another major issue on this team.
That all said, Les and company definitely can turn it around, but the situations are not that similar outside of on the surface and young QBs.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:15 pm to okietiger
quote:What does this mean?
When I suggested Miles should be held accountable,
quote:So LSU has 3 wins in that time, and 4 teams have 1? Really?
Since Saban arrived in 2007, the LSU/Alabama series sits at 5-3, ... Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma and Ole Miss have beaten Alabama in that same span.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:18 pm to SettleDown
quote:Fat Bastard. Mo jeaux.
This would be ridiculous if it were true that there are folks on the board with NOTHING positive to say.
quote:Read the thread.
Speaking if which, what negative views of Miles have you articulated on this board.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:22 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:That's why I call it the testing phase. This season is similar to 2008. Not the same, but similar. In that similar situation, Miles et al successfully righted the ship, certainly earning themselves at least the opportunity to attempt to do again what they have done before. It's only logical.
Yet, it's not the same situation.
Your post brings up valid questions, which is why I cannot conclude for certain that LSU is on its way back to the top under Miles. I do know, however, that it is possible, and I strongly suspect that it is far more likely to happen with Miles than with a successor.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:23 pm to ballscaster
Missed this getting the boat ready to go fishing tomorrow. I thought the article did a good job of painting the picture of the Posi vs Nega Tigers attitudes. It was also dead on in the comments on the lack of QB talent and production.
I did think he gave the defensive staff a pass.
I did think he gave the defensive staff a pass.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:24 pm to ballscaster
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Mo jeaux.
Cite please?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:24 pm to ballscaster
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I was answering a question that presumed that LSU was not regularly a top 5 program. It is a misguided presumption.
Polls do not particularly interest me. I was only answering a question directed to me. This particular question interested me because it was yet another example of a Negatiger falling on his own sword.
Top 5 is based on polls not what you "feel"
Since 2007, LSU has been top 5 once (2011) and another top 10 finish (8) in 2010 that was honestly lucked into thanks to Tennessee's dumbassery.
So in 6 years, LSU has 1 top 7 finishin either poll. That does not make you a regularly top 5 team. LSU since 2007 has been a top 15 team with one great team and one mediocre to bad one.
This thread is proving that blogger's point. Any legitimate criticism is met with ridiculous rebuttals and it happens on both extremes. Being critical isn't a bad thing. Wanting the coach fired on the spot or after this season is a bad thing. There is a difference.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:24 pm to Katy Tiger
I'm a fair man. Have an up vote for a sensible post for once.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:25 pm to ballscaster
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That's why I call it the testing phase. This season is similar to 2008. Not the same, but similar. In that similar situation, Miles et al successfully righted the ship, certainly earning themselves at least the opportunity to attempt to do again what they have done before. It's only logical.
You are so full of shite. You're quite a talented troll though. I continue to be impressed. 
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:29 pm to ballscaster
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Fat Bastard. Mo jeaux.
I'll see your Fat Bastard and raise you runningtiger.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:29 pm to Katy Tiger
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lack of QB talent and production.
from 2005 to 2014, qb's that miles recruited that took snaps on the field are:
ryan perrilloux (dismissed)
andrew hatch (transferred)
jarrett lee
jordan jefferson
zach mettenberger (transfer)
stephen rivers (transferred)
anthony jennings
brandon harris
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:30 pm to ballscaster
quote:To paraphrase a response you gave someone. I'm not reading the whole damned thread. All you need do is list one thing. Something tells me if it were easy, you'd have done it.
Read the thread.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:34 pm to jamboybarry
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The main nega argument has been Les can recruit but underperforms. So he performed in 2007 so what's your point?
Les can recruit, but is not as adept at bringing in well rounded classes to ensure minimal holes on his teams. 2012 attests to that.
If people really want to argue 2005-2007, they only need to look at 2 things.
1) Jimbo was a hold-over from Saban's staff and groomed both JR and Flynn for 4 years. They were difference makers in those teams.
2) Those teams had depth at nearly every position because of how Saban and his staff recruited. They didn't take a year off picking up legit DL prospects like Les did.
At some point, the poor QB development has to fall on Les. It's not like he hasn't brought in talented QB prospects. He's continually brought in Elite 11 recruits. He has something within him that stunts their development, and part of that is how he decides when each plays. If his teams don't struggle against weaker teams, those players get more legitimate experience before they have to be called upon to run the team.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:35 pm to boxcarbarney
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I'll raise you runningtiger.
Its bad enough in here already please don't call out that idiot and have him join in as well.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:36 pm to Geauxgurt
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At some point, the poor QB development has to fall on Les. It's not like he hasn't brought in talented QB prospects. He's continually brought in Elite 11 recruits. He has something within him that stunts their development, and part of that is how he decides when each plays. If his teams don't struggle against weaker teams, those players get more legitimate experience before they have to be called upon to run the team.
And as this becomes more evident (I think it will be undeniable after this year) it's going to be that much harder to get talented QBs to come here.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:40 pm to Geauxgurt
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Les can recruit, but is not as adept at bringing in well rounded classes to ensure minimal holes on his teams. 2012 attests to that.
So does the dearth of servicable QB recruiting some years. Putting all your eggs in the Zach Lee basket, Only getting one QB worth anything (Mett) during the 4 years of JJ/JL
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:42 pm to ballscaster
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This season is similar to 2008. Not the same, but similar. In that similar situation,
But its not. That's the point. There are significant differences and they are huge. Les isn't getting the benefit of the SEC going to crap like it did in 2009-2011. Arky has sucked and is moving back up, Ole Miss, MSU, now there is A&M, and UF started its decline. Chances are UF will improve. There are tons of factors that will be against Les this time around that made his life easier following 2008.
Also, the holes on this team are significantly bigger and they aren't going to get coaching changes. All that said, it could happen, but completely different situations outside of young QBs and the team sucking as a whole.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 2:43 pm to Geauxgurt
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Chances are UF will improve
Chances are LSU will too.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:02 pm to okietiger
Read the article. He stretches to keep things even-handed. Then he pushes for shades of gray. But clearly he points at team deficiencies, recruiting troubles, coaching shortcomings and player development as major problems and challenges to be met and overcome, before they take root.
Not sure CLM is up for this. I really wish he were.
Not sure CLM is up for this. I really wish he were.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:19 pm to Geauxgurt
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Top 5 is based on polls not what you "feel"
what the hell do you think polls are? Actually top 5 is based on math, if you ask me. I know cfb data warehouse isn't the be all end all, but it's got some good material and a rating system that, just as literally any rating system you'll ever find or devise yourself, has LSU in the top five over the past five years (Miles with his own players 
), the past ten years, and past 15 years. LINK
quote:Wrong. I agree with legitimate criticisms. I cite Miles' success when I see horses being beaten long after death.
Any legitimate criticism is met with ridiculous rebuttals
quote:Every single sunshine pumper criticizes Miles from time to time. Maybe people like you should align yourselves more with us than with the little bitches like Fat Bastard and Mo jeaux who relentlessly bash the program because they can't enjoy LSU football and blame it on those of us who can.
and it happens on both extremes. Being critical isn't a bad thing. Wanting the coach fired on the spot or after this season is a bad thing. There is a difference.
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