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re: Much props to Jonathan Gray
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:41 pm to Jaydeaux
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:41 pm to Jaydeaux
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Dude has been throwing with PED help. frick that. Anyway Nola >>>> Gray
PED's???? Holy shite are you honestly trying to say that Adderall is a friggin PED? There are alot of dumbass comments on this board all the time and this one is certainly amongst them.
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:48 pm to Moustache
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Not taking anything away from Nola, but this NOla>Gray crap lets me know who knows baseball and who does not.
You don't know that much about pitching yourself. I don't believe that Gray, good as he could be, had good control of his fastball this evening. Sure, he is a fine pitcher and a high draft choice, but he was way too dependent on his slider to get strikes both called and swinging. Also, regardless of what those commentators said, the strike zone was huge tonight. Both pitchers quickly adapted to it, but Nola was the better pitcher tonight. His fastball had late movement, and he had good command of both it and his curve. He was more economical with his pitches, and thus was able to complete the game without running out of gas. Gray ran out of gas! He threw a shitload of pitches. Also, the Tigers were able to adjust to him in the later innings. Oklahoma's idea of an adjustment was to get one more hit in the eighth, I believe. Nola was beginning to wear down, but he finished the game keeping the movement on his fastball. 90 mph is plenty major-league fast if pitches have late movement and the pitcher can hit his spots. Nola never really had to use his change-up this evening. Did you notice? His fastball and slider were more than OK could handle.
Nola is the better pitcher. 12-0...SEC...2 hit CG. You're the idiot, Moustache...a pompous one at that!
Geaux Tigers!!!!
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:51 pm to MN Tigah
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You're the idiot, Moustache...a pompous one at that!
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:15 pm to lsutigers1992
Future CY Young winner. Maybe more than once. 98 mile an hour fastball, 70 mile an hour change, curve or whatever. He is going to be a great MLB Pitcher. ACE
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:19 pm to JOHNN
Doesn't MLB list it as a PED?
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:25 pm to lsutigers1992
That dude is fricking good.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:32 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
Sick game! That Gray dude was DEALING IT. However, Nola doesn't play around either. Good that LSU fans clapped for Gray as he left and good that announcers noted it. Class is a choice.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:36 pm to Moustache
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Not taking anything away from Nola, but this NOla>Gray crap lets me know who knows baseball and who does not
C'mon man. Nola will be a high top 10 pick in his own right.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:40 pm to Comp721
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Based on tonight? There will be much better hitting teams in omaha
Like LSU
Vanderbilt maybe???
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:49 pm to MN Tigah
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I don't believe that Gray, good as he could be, had good control of his fastball this evening.
You boys can't even admit when we beat a great pitcher.....probably a top 3 pitcher in the NCAA.....that dude will take a K. Gausman like path to MLB but all you boys do is say how much he sucks.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:51 pm to dreaux
Yea about the only better hitting team than Vandy that we could see in the CWS would be UNC IMO....they are pretty scary at the plate IMO. They are clutch as hell from what I've seen. They answered every single haymaker that FAU threw last Monday.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 7:53 am to LSU316
Jeez, some of you are eat up with the tard.
Just because I say an elite pitching prospect who almost went #1 overall is better than Nola, doesn't mean Nola isn't top 10-15 material in his own right.
But right now, if given the choice, 30 out of 30 MLB teams would draft Gray over Nola. Nola has better command, but his slider and fastball don't have as much movement as Gray's, but not many guys are 6'4 240 and effortlessly throw 96+ with a wicked slider. He is gonna have to command that FB better, especially since he went to Colorado.
In college, however, the battle is closer and is splitting hairs. I would like to point out that Nola got to face a very weak OU lineup and Gray faced some very good hitters in the LSU lineup.
Just because I can admit this doesn't mean I didn't love the win. I'm just telling it like it is and many of you who hear anything less than "LSU GREATEST AT EVERYTHING EVAR!" get your panties in a wad.
Just like the many of you who still firmly believe Bregman is a shortstop at the next level. I'll say it again: anyone who believes Gray<Nola as a MLB prospect and that Bregman is a SS at the next level doesn't know baseball.
If Nola can come out next year and pop it consistently 93-94 and repeat his performance or close to it, then he'll go top 5. But as of now, no.
Just because I say an elite pitching prospect who almost went #1 overall is better than Nola, doesn't mean Nola isn't top 10-15 material in his own right.
But right now, if given the choice, 30 out of 30 MLB teams would draft Gray over Nola. Nola has better command, but his slider and fastball don't have as much movement as Gray's, but not many guys are 6'4 240 and effortlessly throw 96+ with a wicked slider. He is gonna have to command that FB better, especially since he went to Colorado.
In college, however, the battle is closer and is splitting hairs. I would like to point out that Nola got to face a very weak OU lineup and Gray faced some very good hitters in the LSU lineup.
Just because I can admit this doesn't mean I didn't love the win. I'm just telling it like it is and many of you who hear anything less than "LSU GREATEST AT EVERYTHING EVAR!" get your panties in a wad.
Just like the many of you who still firmly believe Bregman is a shortstop at the next level. I'll say it again: anyone who believes Gray<Nola as a MLB prospect and that Bregman is a SS at the next level doesn't know baseball.
If Nola can come out next year and pop it consistently 93-94 and repeat his performance or close to it, then he'll go top 5. But as of now, no.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 7:59 am to Hot Carl
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I would have thought after that stupid fricking thread of yours this week, you'd have stayed your dumb fricking arse off the entire board for a while, much less this topic. I will give it up though, your fricking dumassery will not be stopped. It knows no bounds.
Glad to see I have followers. You sweat my nuts don't you?
If you would've read the thread, you would've seen that it was more of a discussion and not a "we need to do this"
After reviewing some good points, I even conceded in that thread that starting Nola is the right decision.
But, all you saw was "WHAT? THIS GUY DIDN'T SAY NOLA is GREATEST EVARRR! MY JIMMIES ARE NOW RUSTLED"
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:19 am to Moustache
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No. Nola doesn't have near the stuff Gray has. Nola may have out pitched him tonight, but look at the difference in lineups. Ours is a much better lineup than OU's.
Then you didn't really watch or you assume speed is better than control. The thing that made Nola great last night was that he kept the ball down in the zone and could throw across the plate whenever he wanted. Nola has a lot more control control than gray. Gray is great pitcher but he relies on his speed to much. He needs better command of his fastball and slider and if he has a change up needs to use it more often. Gray is an incredible pitcher but with the stuff he has right now, he will be playing as a closer in the pros. The lack of command won't fly in the pros.
Also if you wanted to compare Nola's performance, think of Greg Maddox. He was great bc he was one of the most accurate pitchers in the game not one of the fastest.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:28 am to jeff5891
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The thing that made Nola great last night was that he kept the ball down in the zone and could throw across the plate whenever he wanted. Nola has a lot more control control than gray
I agree. Nola has more command. They both have great control as they both have very low walk totals.
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Gray is great pitcher but he relies on his speed to much. He needs better command of his fastball and slider and if he has a change up needs to use it more often
I felt he could've thrown his fastball more last night. He was getting our hitters frozen more on the sliders and offspeed than fastballs. He had great command of his slider. His fastball could've used more command, but his fastball has incredible movement for the speed it is.
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he will be playing as a closer in the pros.
You are literally the only person who thinks that. You act as if Gray is one of those fireballers with no command. THat is bullshite. Just look at his numbers and look at how he didn't walk very many of us. 30 out of 30 mlb teams would pick Gray over Nola. THat is indisputable.
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Also if you wanted to compare Nola's performance, think of Greg Maddox. He was great bc he was one of the most accurate pitchers in the game not one of the fastest.
Nola doesn't have the swing and miss stuff that Maddux had. Sure, Maddux pitched to contact, but when he needed a K, he got one. Nola doesn't have the swing and miss breaking pitches or movement that Maddux had. invalid comparison. A better comparison for Nola would be Ian Kennedy.
This is not to say that Nola won't be better than Gray at the next level (especially since Gray was picked by the Rox), but as of now Gray has the MUCH higher ceiling than Nola has. That is indisputable.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:48 am to lsutigers1992
He was damn good until the eighth, I'm convinced it's impossible to pitch a full game against us.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:51 am to Moustache
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Nola has better command, but his slider and fastball don't have as much movement as Gray'
Did you just say that Gray gets more movement on his fastball than Gray?
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:55 am to Moustache
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but this NOla>Gray crap lets me know who knows baseball and who does not.
based on your other threads, we're already well aware of this...
This is the only time I've seen Gray, but Nola probably is a better 'pitcher' than him at the moment. It's easy to see Gray's upside, however. LSU hitters did him some favors as well, along with the dugout.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:56 am to ForeLSU
What makes you think Nola is better? And by so much it's not even a question.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:03 am to Moustache
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Nola has better command, but his fastball don't have as much movement as Gray's
Once again you have gone full retard in a baseball thread. If you watched the game last night and came away thinking Gray gets more action on his fastball than Nola you are either blind or just absolutely no idea what you are looking at.
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