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re: Miles wanted Harsin
Posted on 2/24/11 at 8:26 pm to Maximus
Posted on 2/24/11 at 8:26 pm to Maximus
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you really think Jefferson deserved all the playing time and starts he got last year?
End result says: yes
During the season I would have said frick no. But Lee wasn't a step up in any sense of the word last year.. unless the game was on the line, other than that..
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no, nobody thought he was not awesome until the Arkansas game. His 5.0 speed was a difference maker for us all year.
Chavis is in charge of the defense..
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Who else can tell the coaches "I want to play" and get inserted into the lineup at a position he hadn't practiced at all year (a position that he is beyond terrible at)?
Yet our rushing attack was still strong.. with a one dimensional offense. Hard to argue with results just because you don't like a player.
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Posted on 2/24/11 at 8:45 pm to Maximus
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you really think Jefferson deserved all the playing time and starts he got last year?
In the real world you can't just look at half of the situation (Jefferson). If you bench Jefferson you have to play Lee. The truth is that there was no right answer at QB last year. That wasn't obvious during the year. I, personally thought Lee would have been the better option mid season last year. In hindsight I was wrong.
Looking back Miles probably got the most out of the QB situation that he possibly could. I think most people can see this in hindsight.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 8:21 am to moneyg
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Looking back Miles probably got the most out of the QB situation that he possibly could. I think most people can see this in hindsight.
Most people can except the blind such as Maximus and those like him who will never change their mind about Miles and will continue to cry about losing baby bear. I do think Lee should have played more earlier but hey we finished 11-2 and I think they were trying to see if JJ would snap out of it and didn't want to ruin the little bit of confidence he had.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 9:36 am to TigerFanNKaty
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I do think Lee should have played more earlier
We all have our thoughts on such decisions as who to start or who to play when, but the bottom line with me is when a coach as successful for LSU as Miles has been plays a guy I gotta think he has a good reason and I gotta think he knows more bout the situation than me.
It's called having faith in the guy leading you to do what he feels will be best.
You have that faith or you don't and since Miles has produced some of the best if not the best results EVER for LSU I have the faith.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:10 am to bmy
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But Lee wasn't a step up in any sense of the word last year.. unless the game was on the line, other than that..
Lee NEVER got the chance to get into any kind of a decent rhythm.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:13 am to BayouBlue
Texas PR stunt to make it look like "Here at Texas" (Mack Brown mantra) it is the place to be...
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:13 am to TigerFanNKaty
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but hey we finished 11-2
and if Miles has taught us anything its that the best you can do in any season is 2 losses.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:33 am to BilJ
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Lee NEVER got the chance to get into any kind of a decent rhythm.
Maybe because he didn't show in practice over the course of spring, summer and fall that he could "develop a decent rhythm." It's easy for us to second guess the coaches on the QB situation, but we have a lot less information and experience in evaluating who is ready to play, etc., than the coaches.
However, I wasn't happy with QB play of either Lee or Jefferson on multiple occasions, but I certainly never saw anything that convinced me that Lee should start over Jefferson.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:38 am to tigerinridgeland
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but we have a lot less information and experience in evaluating who is ready to play, etc., than the coaches.
we had a lot less info on Crowton but we didn't retain him for another year like boy genius did either.
I dont know how anyone can defend still starting JJ and giving him half the time when he was nothing but a 3 and out machine who was crying to the media about how everybody was cheating him. I'm sure someone can pull up the stats from that period, when Lee basically led us on all our TD drives and bailed Miles and his pet out over and over. But hey, i'm sure in practice blah blah blah cause only da coaches get to see practice and practice means more than producing in games!!
Posted on 2/25/11 at 10:45 am to tigerinridgeland
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Maybe because he didn't show in practice over the course of spring, summer and fall that he could "develop a decent rhythm." It's easy for us to second guess the coaches on the QB situation, but we have a lot less information and experience in evaluating who is ready to play,
Except for the Tennessee game where Lee led LSU on a game winning drive and converted a 4th and 10 to Tolliver, and with 30 seconds left Crowton called for the chinese fire drill and changed QBs.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:07 pm to BayouBlue
Harsin's replacement (Wayne Peace) will do just as well as he did. Same thing with D-coordinator that replaced Wilcox when he went to Tenn. He's now having a hard time counting to 11. Bottom line: The BSU coaches all look good when they are playing vs the WAC--signed Dan Hawkins, Dirk Koetter....It's hit or miss for these guys when they get to the big time. Would rather a guy with NFL/Big League experience any day. Krags is just fine.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:08 pm to BayouBlue
Miles landed a good OC in Kragthorpe. No complaints there.
However, everyone knows Harsin was a top candidate. I would question why Texas got to him first (that too in a co-oc position) when we knew ahead of time that Crowton was going to be gone. Sounds like bad timing to me. And I'm not an unconditional Miles hater fwiw.
However, everyone knows Harsin was a top candidate. I would question why Texas got to him first (that too in a co-oc position) when we knew ahead of time that Crowton was going to be gone. Sounds like bad timing to me. And I'm not an unconditional Miles hater fwiw.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:11 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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However, everyone knows Harsin was a top candidate. I would question why Texas got to him first (that too in a co-oc position) when we knew ahead of time that Crowton was going to be gone. Sounds like bad timing to me. And I'm not an unconditional Miles hater fwiw.
The short and easy answer is that LSU had a bowl game preparation and Texas did not.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:37 pm to chilge1
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The short and easy answer is that LSU had a bowl game preparation and Texas did not.
That's not an answer at all. We knew Crowton was pretty much a goner long before the bowl game. Could well have found his replacement and announced it after the bowl game.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:40 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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That's not an answer at all. We knew Crowton was pretty much a goner long before the bowl game. Could well have found his replacement and announced it after the bowl game.
Could have. But we had other things going on.. I'm not disappointed in the Krags hire and getting Harsin would have been sketchy in my mind, so I can't think we went about things the wrong way given the beatdown of aTm.
But the point was that Texas had absolutely nothing to do but fill coaching vacanies.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 12:48 pm to chilge1
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I'm not disappointed in the Krags hire
Me neither. And you could be right about Harsin. Gary Crowton was a top 5 OC after the 2007 NC season and we know how that ended.
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But the point was that Texas had absolutely nothing to do but fill coaching vacanies.
Sure but Crowton's job was as good as a coaching vacancy half way through our season.
In any case, I am good with Kragthorpe like I said. We have the talent to dominate defenses.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 1:25 pm to idatiger
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Harsin's replacement (Wayne Peace) will do just as well as he did. Same thing with D-coordinator that replaced Wilcox when he went to Tenn. He's now having a hard time counting to 11. Bottom line: The BSU coaches all look good when they are playing vs the WAC--signed Dan Hawkins, Dirk Koetter....It's hit or miss for these guys when they get to the big time. Would rather a guy with NFL/Big League experience any day. Krags is just fine.
Agree entirely.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 1:37 pm to chilge1
Yeah, you can't fire coaches before the bowl games 
Posted on 2/25/11 at 2:16 pm to BayouBlue
frick Texas.
Posted on 2/26/11 at 9:24 pm to idatiger
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Harsin's replacement (Wayne Peace) will do just as well as he did. Same thing with D-coordinator that replaced Wilcox when he went to Tenn. He's now having a hard time counting to 11. Bottom line: The BSU coaches all look good when they are playing vs the WAC--signed Dan Hawkins, Dirk Koetter....It's hit or miss for these guys when they get to the big time. Would rather a guy with NFL/Big League experience any day. Krags is just fine.
Good post, kind of new here. Welcome...
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