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re: Miles vs Richt
Posted on 9/16/10 at 2:46 pm to Uncommon Cents
Posted on 9/16/10 at 2:46 pm to Uncommon Cents
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thanks to what saban did
Who in turn should thank DiNardo.
wow, just ....
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Posted on 9/16/10 at 2:55 pm to mhasen1
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Yeah, LSU is so much worse off than they were when Miles inherited a 9 win team that needed 3 missed extra points to beat a bad Oregon St. team, got humiliated by Georgia, needed a last minute score to beat Troy, struggled against Vandy, and barely beat a 3 win Ole Miss team.
Miles would have been crucified for the 2004 team. Yet those same people say Saban left him with a juggernaut. If the coaches had been reversed, we would be hearing how Saban rebuilt the program instead of winning with Miles' players.
That is blatantly and objectively wrong.
Just in case you didn't know, we won 9 regular season games in 2004, which would be 10 wins in the current 12-game format. Take away Tulane from LSU's 08 season (to make it comparable to 2004) and Les would have a 6-5 regular season on his record. You really want to compare 6-5 to 9-2?
LSU was in a fantastic position at the top of the SEC when Miles came on board. To try and claim different now is just absurd.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 3:00 pm to uway
nope, clearly Saban was bringing down this program 
Even though he's already proven over the last 2 years how wrong that theory was.
Even though he's already proven over the last 2 years how wrong that theory was.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 3:04 pm to LSUmomma
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I find an added irony that most of the Anti-Miles people all list Richt as being a better coach than Miles, and would trade for him straight even... weird....
What's weird is you just making stuff up and fighting strawmen.
There is no "we want Richt" chorus here or anywhere else.
But, just for the record, unlike Miles, Richt has never had a losing SEC record.
Also, unlike Miles, he has a season with less than 2 losses.
He also has 2 SEC championships.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 3:10 pm to uway
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There is no "we want Richt" chorus here or anywhere else.
There may not be specific threads just dedicated to Richt.. but he is consistently listed when people are asked who they'd prefer over Les Miles.. you can do the search, or I can do it for you and copy and paste examples for you.. but they are there on a regular basis....
Posted on 9/16/10 at 3:53 pm to uway
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That is blatantly and objectively wrong.
Just in case you didn't know, we won 9 regular season games in 2004, which would be 10 wins in the current 12-game format.
Please.
The difference between 2004 and 2009 was 1 play. But because of who was coaching and who is now coaching, you cannot look at it objectively.
And, just in case you didn't know, 2009 was a 9 win regular season.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 4:11 pm to uway
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Also, unlike Miles, he has a season with less than 2 losses. He also has 2 SEC championships.
And he has had 4 more seasons than Miles.
And he has no national championships.
And he has had 9 players arrested this year before the season even started.
And he has the same game management issues that Miles does.
And Miles has never told the team to go out and get an unsportsman like conduct penalty on purpose.
Aside from being a better public speaker I don't think Richt is any better than Miles, and he is worse when it comes to team discipline. They both give roughly the same overall result.
And where I live in Georgia the fans have about had it with Richt. This is not Atlanta, it is rural Georgia and the redneck fans take it much more seriously than the poofters in Atlanta.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 4:16 pm to josh336
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Even though he's already proven over the last 2 years how wrong that theory was.
Maybe he is winning with Shula's players?
You have to be a complete football idiot to believe that the current coach has no major impact on current players. As coaches come and go their techniques, schemes, philosophies come and go. No way that players, even two years after a coach leaves continue to play the way the old coach told them too.
That "Saban's players" bull shite is just that. But on the other hand it is better than thinking something through. Just find a hand catch phrase and repeat it over and over and over. I guess you never played sports.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 5:34 pm to Uncommon Cents
its a bad example because Richt is the one who built up the UGA program.
And isn't he on a VERY hot seat because of the last few years?
And isn't he on a VERY hot seat because of the last few years?
Posted on 9/16/10 at 5:38 pm to uway
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LSU was in a fantastic position at the top of the SEC when Miles came on board.
Look, I thank Nick for his efforts while at LSU, but lets not rewrite SEC history for his last season at LSU.
LSU didn't even make the SECCG in 04, so how were we "at the top of the SEC"???
It's both interesting and amusing that a 3rd place finish in the SEC and a #16 NR in 04 is seen as at the top of the SEC or worthy, but a 3rd place finish and #17 NR in 09 is "mediocre" or not worthy.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 5:48 pm to Lonnie4LSU
LSU didn't beat 1 good team in 09. At least 04 had that win at Florida and we knew we had a great QB waiting. We also had a good running game and a pretty good defense.
IMO, the SEC in 04>the SEC in 09
IMO, the SEC in 04>the SEC in 09
Posted on 9/16/10 at 5:51 pm to TigerBait1127
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LSU didn't beat 1 good team in 09. At least 04 had that win at Florida and we knew we had a great QB waiting. We also had a good running game and a pretty good defense.
IMO, the SEC in 04>the SEC in 09
And this related to Miles vs Richt.........how?
Posted on 9/16/10 at 5:57 pm to Uncommon Cents
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And this related to Miles vs Richt.........how?
Because the Miles lovers couldn't help but bring Sabes into this thread.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 8:15 pm to TigerBait1127
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LSU didn't beat 1 good team in 09. At least 04 had that win at Florida
Yeah, that 7-5 Florida team was awesome. It was so awesome that it got Ron Zook fired.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 9:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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IMO, the SEC in 04>the SEC in 09
Your opinion sucks. 09 SEC, top two teams in the nation. 04 SEC, undefeated Auburn that didn't even play in the NC game.
This post was edited on 9/16/10 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 9/16/10 at 9:24 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Look, I thank Nick for his efforts while at LSU, but lets not rewrite SEC history for his last season at LSU.
LSU didn't even make the SECCG in 04, so how were we "at the top of the SEC"???
It's both interesting and amusing that a 3rd place finish in the SEC and a #16 NR in 04 is seen as at the top of the SEC or worthy, but a 3rd place finish and #17 NR in 09 is "mediocre" or not worthy.
This..
Posted on 9/16/10 at 10:30 pm to AllEyesOnThree
If Miles had a Georgia Tech to recruit against things may be a lot different.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:21 am to JaxTigah
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09 SEC, top two teams in the nation
It's really pretty amusing to see the hoops some will jump though to take the feet out from under the 09 team and then prop up the 04 team cause we beat a 7-5 Gator team whose coach got fired.
The results of the 04 season equated to 3rd in the SEC, 9 wins, a Capital One bowl invite, and a 16th place finish in the nation. That is seen by some as "top of the SEC" or a LSU worthy performance, but let the 09 team finish 3rd in the SEC, win 9, get an invite to the Capital One bowl, and finish 17th and that is seen as cliff jumping material or unworthy by LSU standards.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:12 am to Geauxtiga
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If Miles had a Georgia Tech to recruit against things may be a lot different.
That is bogus and you know it. Miles pulls serious talent from Gerogia as well as other states. In case your friends down at the bar didn't tell you, recruiting is national.
But if some how trying to beat up on Les Miles makes you more of a man in your eyes, go to it.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:24 am to Lonnie4LSU
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The results of the 04 season equated to 3rd in the SEC, 9 wins, a Capital One bowl invite, and a 16th place finish in the nation. That is seen by some as "top of the SEC" or a LSU worthy performance, but let the 09 team finish 3rd in the SEC, win 9, get an invite to the Capital One bowl, and finish 17th and that is seen as cliff jumping material or unworthy by LSU standards.
I think most people are concerned about the direction the program is heading, if you are able to look past results.
In 2009, LSU had one of the worst offenses in LSU history. In 2004, LSU lead the SEC in rushing. In 2009, LSU defense was ok. In 2004, LSU had the #3 defense in the country. 2004 LSU was 1 play away (a 4th and 12 conversion by Auburn) from the SECCG. There were poor performances in 04, but there was nothing really alarming about the direction the program was heading. Remember LSU lost Matt Mauck and Michael Clayton a year early. In 2009, yes the results were the same, but there are some major concerns about the direction of this program. Giving up leads, not showing up for 60 minutes, etc.
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