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re: Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence

Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:09 pm to
Posted by GeauxLSU8
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
4242 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

Facts

1. The loss was due to poor clock management BEFORE the hail mary.

2. There could still have been a miracle win, but that chance was ruined, possibly due to an innocent mistake by assistants.

3. After the catch, Miles did not call for a spike, but his motions to the ref that TT was down with possession could have been misinterpreted by other coaches as a call for a spike, just as it was misinterpreted by many here.

4. Miles expected the field goal team to be getting onto the field as soon as the chains were being moved. When he saw nothing happening, he immediately called for the kick with his motions and through his headset, but it was already too late, and JJ was about to spike the ball.


My Thoughts:

I think Miles knew exactly where we were at all times. He thought the last timeout had been called quickly, but somebody screwed up and let too much time go by. Still, he knows it's his bad.

During that timeout, they planned the next play, in case they got the first but not the TD. With time, JJ would spike and buy time for the field goal unit. Without time, the field goal team would try to get out quickly and get the kick off.

But then, after the hail mary, Les ran out to make sure the refs did not award possession to Ole Miss (and the chains were being moved).

Then, Miles turned back to the sideline, saw JJ still on the field, and made his last-ditch efforts to clearly call for the kick with his leg motions (while also probably screaming at assistants through his headset that there was no time for a spike).

At that point, after the first precious seconds had been wasted, Miles had to be a little shocked that the kicking team was not in, and he also knew there was little hope for getting the field goal off, unless the refs delayed starting the clock.

The whole episode was certainly a clusterfrick, but I do not think Les ever called for a spike. Someone on the sideline did that, probably the signal caller, as JJ said, and he may have done that because he misinterpreted Les' arm motions to the ref about the TT catch.

In ten seconds or so, amidst such action on the field, questionable possession after the catch, and the chains being moved, the wrong call was relayed to JJ, possibly because the head coach's actions toward the refs were misinterpreted.

It was likely no more than an unfortunate mistake in the heat of battle, with time running out.

But that unforced error at the end would never have occurred if the final timeout had been called quickly.

I believe Les was honest when he said he did not understand how the spike was called.

Afterward, all I saw Coach Miles do was take full responsibility. But it was obvious to me that he was completely surprised by the unexpected spike call, which effectively destroyed any chance of a winning field goal at the end.

I also suspect he may have been erroneously informed that the crucial last timeout had been called, when it had not, which cost us the precious additional seconds we needed to win the game.

Les Miles is an honorable man of high integrity.
I personally also believe he is a great football coach for LSU, and I am not interested in any other coach leading our program at this time.

I expect great improvement next year, for both players and coaches (some new). JJ is gonna be a great QB, and I think we may again have a chance to contend for the whole enchilada.

It is every fan's absolute right to question any aspect of his coaching, but no LSU fan has any reason, thus far in his tenure here, to question the character and integrity of Coach Les Miles.

Just my 2 cents.


good post
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22850 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:19 pm to
I can agree that miles was not calling for a spike in the video you showed. However, someone from the LSU sideline had to call for it because if you listen to the CBS broadcast I think it's Danielson that says "You don't have time to ground it." he obviously saw the call being made by someone on the LSU sideline.

Les Miles is responsible for the call one way or another no matter how you slice it.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
30176 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:22 pm to
quote:

he obviously saw the call being made by someone on the LSU sideline.


And Jefferson said the signal caller was calling for it in his post game interview. Nobody knew what to do.
Posted by TheloniusCrunk
4000 Dowman Road
Member since Jan 2009
531 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:24 pm to
spike, no spike. its like the JFK bullet. we all know it happended, but who's got real proof. we should ask the kicker, who is standing RIGHT BEHIND miles in the video everyone keeps linking. I have the want to believe that if miles had the want to kick the FG, then he wouldn't have been making hand gestures or doing the fricking bunny hop on the sideline, he would have been running jasper out there.
Posted by WoWyHi
Member since Jul 2009
23339 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

TheloniusCrunk
Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
spike, no spike. its like the JFK bullet. we all know it happended, but who's got real proof. we should ask the kicker, who is standing RIGHT BEHIND miles in the video everyone keeps linking. I have the want to believe that if miles had the want to kick the FG, then he wouldn't have been making hand gestures or doing the fricking bunny hop on the sideline, he would have been running jasper out there.


Get it right. He was doing the Angus Young.

Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:27 pm to
i guess the positive i get out of this is that the boo-gers and ranturds are close to death.

it was a great game. we might be 9-3, we might be 8-4.
all i know is 120+ teams would trade places w/ us.

geaux tigahs
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82711 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

it was a great game.

Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
30176 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:29 pm to
quote:

Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
i guess the positive i get out of this is that the boo-gers and ranturds are close to death.

it was a great game. we might be 9-3, we might be 8-4.
all i know is 120+ teams would trade places w/ us.

geaux tigahs


120 teams don't have the talent of LSU. No comparison. LSU is top 5 talent.
Posted by sec417r39
Member since Oct 2009
665 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:31 pm to
I believe it. He did not call for the spike. I have wanted miles gone even before he stepped foot on this campus. They had a lot of communication going on..uh..time was runnin out..you know we um........I mean I don't know it was just a lot of confusion..wat an idiot
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

He did not call for the spike


Cox replay without a doubt showed Miles calling for the spike.
He was not prepared for a completion short of the end zone.
And he thought we still had timeouts.
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
18399 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:47 pm to
Actually that video looks like he is calling for the FG at first but the Kicker is standing right there and he never goes out then miles turns and starts saying he was down.

A guy called WWL tonight and said it was right in front of him and Miles was saying he was down not spike the ball.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
30176 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

Miles was saying he was down not spike the ball.


This is worse. He shouldn't be worrying about making that call. If it's a fumble, game over. If not, run a play. Do something.
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:51 pm to
miles lies
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85670 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:55 pm to
quote:

After multiple reviews, at the end of the catch the Ole Miss defender came up with the ball. Miles was clearly running to the ref signaling that TT was down with possession, when the ball came out.


Like this negates the fact of his decision to not run the ball, letting the clock run down to 9 secs, not having field goal team ready, or not having a play ready for the qb to take a shot at end zone. MILES LOST THIS GAME.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 12:38 pm to
Props Robb, you nailed it

per Miles on WWL


Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

MILES LOST THIS GAME.


+ 92,000
Posted by WoWyHi
Member since Jul 2009
23339 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

TIsuGGER
Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
Props Robb, you nailed it

per Miles on WWL


You go watch the HD video linked last night. You guys are delusional...
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

You go watch the HD video linked last night. You guys are delusional...

As has been the custom you and your ALTER are embarassing yourselves!!

Yeah, I said and meant "alter"
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33356 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Props Robb, you nailed it

per Miles on WWL

WTH? Miles mentioned my post on WWL?
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

WTH? Miles mentioned my post on WWL?

No he mentioned the Youtube video that you linked showing Miles reacting to the Ole Miss player coming up with the ball. Pretty much word for word what you posted. He sees Ole Miss player with ball, and starts calling for the refs to signal TT was down with the ball.

He could have read your post to know what to say, tho


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