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re: miami player get 1-6 day suspensions for all their NCAA "crimes" and shep gets 6
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:43 am to bconne1
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:43 am to bconne1
quote:So Charles Manson can talk with his minions while he's being investigated for torture and mass murder. That's fine. But Shep cannot talk with a family member about the nature of NCAA questioning?
People speaking to each other, getting stories straight, etc. can potentially muddy the waters.
STFU!
quote:A "ward"? Really?
Shep, effectively a ward of the NCAA
Seriously? A ward? For the price of an LSU scholarship? Worth what? $16K tops?
A ward? . . . . this isn't going well for you, is it.
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Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:45 am to Elleshoe
quote:Yeah, I don't know where OP got that from.
I've seen no link that says Shep is suspended for 6 games.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:46 am to wryder1
quote:It is. Their punishment for collaboration at Georgia Tech was similarly harsh.
This has nothing to do with Shep being a dumbass or not. It has to do with consistsncy. RayRay Armstrong took $ and gifts at Miami and he gets a 4 game suspension. Shep gets a 6 games suspension for collaboration? They ncaa needs to be more consistent.
Some people don't get it; the NCAA is neither designed nor intended to be an investigatory regulatory body. They are designed to rely upon the member institutions to self-report, self-police and self-regulate. As such, actions subverting that self-policing (coverups, collaboration, false statements, etc.) are going to be more significant in determining punishments than the actual violations. Covering up a minor offense is significantly worse than self-reporting a major one.
Shep did a stupid thing in breaking the rules in a way that many people use to coverup offenses. Shep (apparently) wasn't actually covering anything up, but the NCAA can't know that and the act itself undermines the process. Shep should have known that, and I'm confident he had that explained to him. He just made a silly lapse of judgment that (probably) amounted to nothing, but he should have known better. It's just unfortunate, but it is no way inconsistent.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:50 am to NC_Tigah
quote:The suspensions at Miami have nothing to do with any criminal or sex related issues. These suspensions are eligibility issues for particular players receiving specific amounts of cash, which they also have to pay back. This has nothing to do with the compliance committee investigation and subsequent sanctions against Miami, or even these players. That will all come down way, way later.
vs money, sex, and criminal issues involving Miami is just impeccable. Wonderful stuff. Brilliant
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:50 am to King Joey
quote:Different situation.
Their punishment for collaboration at Georgia Tech was similarly harsh.
What is Shep's punishment?
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:53 am to SaintLSUnAtl
quote:It was an interview. They were interviewing him regarding the Willie Lyles stuff, and like virtually any other investigatory interview, they instructed him to not discuss the interview with anyone they were going to interview until the process was over. Very standard, and not at all difficult to understand or obey. Shep just slipped up.
This is my whole issue. Why did they say anything to Shep in the first place?
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Not in any jurisdiction I've worked. Not sure what this has to do with anything, but I've never known of a jurisdiction where it's legal for witnesses in a criminal trial to collaborate on their stories. Of course, attorney-client privilege makes it very difficult to police such activity between suspects, but technically it's not actually legal.
So Charles Manson can talk with his minions while he's being investigated for torture and mass murder.
But again, the OP is wrong in its premise, because the Miami suspensions are unrelated to "all their NCAA 'crimes'".
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:59 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I make no claims to know what goes on in California. That's not how I roll. :p
So Charles Manson can talk with his minions while he's being investigated for torture and mass murder. That's fine. But Shep cannot talk with a family member about the nature of NCAA questioning?
STFU!
And what's with you comparing college football to maniacal killers? I don't think it's that serious.
quote:Yeah, a ward. Meaning a person under the care or authority of another person or governing body. By agreeing to accept a scholarship and be a student athlete, Shep agreed to follow their rules - regardless of how silly they may be to you or me. In addition, he was told by this governing body not to speak about the investigation. Again, seems silly...hell, I wouldn't have listened either. However, he broke the rules.
A "ward"? Really?
Seriously? A ward? For the price of an LSU scholarship? Worth what? $16K tops?
A ward? . . . . this isn't going well for you, is it.
I'm gonna veer away from taking swipes and turning this into an ad hominem bitch fight (like telling people to STFU). In fact, I think we're probably all in agreement on the base issues: stupid rule, stupid penalty. All I'm saying is that Shep should have known better, and as a result he hurt the team.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:59 am to King Joey
quote:
Some people don't get it; the NCAA is neither designed nor intended to be an investigatory regulatory body
quote:Like "any other investigatory interview" where?
and like virtually any other investigatory interview, they instructed him
In 1930's Stalingrad?
Make no mistake, I'm not challenging the statements your making. They are accurate for the most part. I am challenging ANY attempted justification of the rule itself. There is none!
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 10:07 am
Posted on 8/31/11 at 8:16 am to wryder1
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The NCAA can go eat a bag of dicks. This is some BS. With all the stuff out there, Camgate, Miami, and etc, that they haven't done shite about, they hammer shep for this?
well said sir.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 8:17 am to Ghostfacedistiller
Where is it confirmed that Shep is getting 6 games?
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