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re: Media Bias...You be the judge.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 7:48 am to BozoBus
Posted on 8/21/08 at 7:48 am to BozoBus
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the few weeks LSU was voted #1 last season were the FIRST regular season weeks in 6 years that the AP correctly picked the eventual BCS champion in a regular season weekly poll. That is an astonishing record of being wrong. Can they be THAT awful, or are their selections guided by other concerns?
WOW...so if they are not Kreskin "the Amazing" they are biased?
You guys sure have a high standard for the voters...all they need know is 1.21 Jigawatts, a Flux-Capacitor and a freakin' Delorean.
If anybody could correctly pick the national champion every year they wouldn't be voting...they'd be in Vegas and we wouldn't have to play the games.
But no, the voters are hiding in their STAR chamber, plotting away...and they would've gotten anyway with it too...if it wasn't for the Rant. thank you for uncovering the conspiracy of the century.
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Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:03 am to King Joey
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When you see one team and only one team with two championships in the BCS era, and that team has yet to be picked #1 in the BCS era
Which year that we won the national championship should we have been preaseason #1, Joey? The year we were coming off a 5-loss season and starting a QB coming a serious leg injury? Or the won where we were starting a brand new QB, had lost 2 1st round wide receivers and a top 10 safety? And before you say any other year, according to the original poster--who you so nobly defend--if the #1 preseason team finishes anywhere but #1, that is a clear example of media bias. Though be it judged in hindsight.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:05 am to Zamoro10
It's funny that posts like this get slammed by so many people. The original poster made a statement, backed it up with facts and then is basically called a conspiracy theorist. Not only do the pre-season polls show bias but the regular voter polls also favor certain teams. One team can lose a game to a ranked team and lose 5 spots yet another team can lose to an unranked team and only lose 1, 2 or even NONE. Many voters seem to give their pre-season favorite every benefit of the doubt and not so much for other teams ranked below them. This thread (to me) is not about a bias against LSU but rather a bias for certain teams and conferences. The SEC has dominated the CFB scene this decade and the general thought that GA will lose at least one game due to a tough schedule makes it easy for voters to rank them number one and put that same list of "favorites" right behind them. Odds are that their favored teams will wind up right where they want them and that is a NC game with two of the three (USC, Ohio State or OU).
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:12 am to Tigerark
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backed it up with facts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:15 am to Hot Carl
Refute them. All polls (including preseason) are out there for anyone to see. Making some little smart arse comment and putting laughing faces does not make you look smarter. Again, provide something to refute the original post that goes beyond that of a 5 year old child.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:18 am to Tigerark
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Making some little smart arse comment and putting laughing faces does not make you look smarter. Again, provide something to refute the original post that goes beyond that of a 5 year old child.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:21 am to inebr8ted tiger
quote:Anybody who doesn't see it is just trying to be a contra indicator and a protagonist on the board to get attention. Facts don't lie, neither do your eyes.
Media Bias...
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:25 am to Hot Carl
quote:These same arguments could be applied to any major CFB team in almost any area of the team. It's the nature of CFB, there are injuries, players come and go due to graduation, the NFL, and attrition, and they reload (or not). Losing this player or that player is the lamest argument ever that people who watch CFB make. Talent is a better predictor of how a team will do than trying to play a shell game using arguments about this injured player, or that player that graduated, etc.
Which year that we won the national championship should we have been preaseason #1, Joey? The year we were coming off a 5-loss season and starting a QB coming a serious leg injury? Or the won where we were starting a brand new QB, had lost 2 1st round wide receivers and a top 10 safety?
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:25 am to Tigerark
The way I look at this is that the Media knows that the pac-1 and big-11 are weak and thats the reason they predict one of those teams to be in the NCG.
I hate the media also but some of you guys need to get over this shite.
I hate the media also but some of you guys need to get over this shite.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:26 am to BozoBus
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All 65 AP writers work for the AP (Duh!) -- ONE organization, 100% of the vote.
No they don't and that would be a huge surprise to their employers.
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The consolidation of media ownership in general by a very few has been ongoing for well over a decade. Disney owns ABC and ESPN and their $220 million contract with the VERY PACIFIC 10 explains their bias easily as well as why ESPN has buried the Bush story. When Bush admitted to taking improper benefits in 2004 and 2005 in his last legal maneuver, there was NO MENTION of this. Without bell cow USC in the TV mix, that $220 million deal is worth about $100 million -- in LOSSES. Does ESPN/ABC want anything but positive hype for the sanction-headed no-championship Trojans?
ABC and ESPN have two votes out of 65. Do you know if the two vote the same? This is about the AP poll and all you've written is blah, blah blah..
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Ignoring 2004 -- the NC title for that year is about to be vacated -- the few weeks LSU was voted #1 last season were the FIRST regular season weeks in 6 years that the AP correctly picked the eventual BCS champion in a regular season weekly poll. That is an astonishing record of being wrong. Can they be THAT awful, or are their selections guided by other concerns?
Yes they can be that bad. If you picked any right it was probably due to your biases (e.g. LSU or any SEC team is always best) and not any insight. But I would like to know what you think the AP's other concerns would be?
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:29 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Talent is a better predictor of how a team will do than trying to play a shell game using arguments about this injured player, or that player that graduated, etc.
So, you think that USC, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have not been talented the years they were ranked preaseason #1?
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:35 am to Hot Carl
quote:Yes, of course they have, but so have other teams. Everyone is always yakking about how much talent USC has (and OSU to some degree) as if somehow all of this talent is only located in one area of the Universe and they have a lock on it.
So, you think that USC, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have not been talented the years they were ranked preaseason #1?
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:38 am to Roaad
Many media people eliminate SEC schools from the equation because they can't tell you WHICH SEC team is going to emerge as the champ.
Case in point - the national media has UGA winning ranked number 1 (probably because UF and LSU won the last to BCS titles), but the SEC coaches don't even think that UGA will win their own division in the SEC.
Others think that LSU or Auburn could be in the mix. Still others think that all these teams will beat each other just enough to allow teams like Ohio State, USC, and Oklahoma to get into the championship game over the SEC champ.
Again, this is not about who the best team is, but about who will survive to reach the BCS title game. The odds are stacked against LSU, because of their incredibly difficult road schedule.
Case in point - the national media has UGA winning ranked number 1 (probably because UF and LSU won the last to BCS titles), but the SEC coaches don't even think that UGA will win their own division in the SEC.
Others think that LSU or Auburn could be in the mix. Still others think that all these teams will beat each other just enough to allow teams like Ohio State, USC, and Oklahoma to get into the championship game over the SEC champ.
Again, this is not about who the best team is, but about who will survive to reach the BCS title game. The odds are stacked against LSU, because of their incredibly difficult road schedule.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:41 am to BozoBus
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That is an astonishing record of being wrong. Can they be THAT awful
I just did a quick check. Since 1966 the AP preseason #1 finished #1 7times.
OK 74, 75, 85
AL 78
FSU 93, 99
USC 04
The have a history of not being right. You would think that this would comfort those who think preseason polls rule the world, but I digress.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 9:55 am to Tigerark
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Refute them.
Why? They've already been refuted in the previous 3 pages of posts.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 10:08 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Media Bias...
Anybody who doesn't see it is just trying to be a contra indicator and a protagonist on the board to get attention. Facts don't lie, neither do your eyes.
Of course bias exists. These are human polls and each voter's background and experience is going to impact said voter's opinion. But there isn't some collaborative effort by the media to crown a particular team. The AP poll isn't even a factor in the BCS anymore.
However, it seems to me that the original poster is focused more on USC than any other team. Voters keep picking USC because they don't disappoint (i.e. six straight top 4 seasons and 1 BCS and 1 AP title). Not a good example of media bias.
Over the past 6 years, USC's AP preseason vs. final is:
2002 PS 20 Final 4 +16
2003 PS 8 Final 1 +7
2004 PS 1 Final 1 -
2005 PS 1 Final 2 -1
2006 PS 6 Final 4 +2
2007 PS 1 Final 3 -2
2008 PS 3 Final TBD
This post was edited on 8/21/08 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/21/08 at 10:31 am to Rocket
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Considering they are preseason polls, they don't know how good a team is more than we do, which is the bullshite deal with those polls anyway. Polls shouldn't be released until about the 5th week at the earliest.
+1
Posted on 8/21/08 at 10:49 am to tigers
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Over the past 6 years, USC's AP preseason vs. final is:
As well as winning their last 4 SEC games by a combined score of 167-48. You notice we don't schedule them.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 11:56 am to BozoBus
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Ignoring 2004 -- the NC title for that year is about to be vacated -- the few weeks LSU was voted #1 last season were the FIRST regular season weeks in 6 years that the AP correctly picked the eventual BCS champion in a regular season weekly poll. That is an astonishing record of being wrong. Can they be THAT awful, or are their selections guided by other concerns?
I'm not sure why we should ignore 2004... whether or not USC ends up in trouble for the Bush fiasco voting them #1 is what seemed reasonable to most... Auburn was a respectable opinion too but the team considered better by most was USC
And as you point out LSU last year was voted #1 at times too... so what we have amounts to two years in a row when the media favorite was beaten by another team in the championship game (texas/usc in 05, florida/osu in 06)... I'm not sure that amounts to media incompetence or conspiracy.... in fact i'm guess if you asked the members of this board who they really expected to win in 05 and 06 i think you'd have ended up with usc and osu as the favorites
Posted on 8/21/08 at 12:57 pm to tigers
quote:For the record, I agree with this, but htere are individual biases.
These are human polls and each voter's background and experience is going to impact said voter's opinion. But there isn't some collaborative effort by the media to crown a particular team.
quote:To be clear, I'm not concerned with just USC. When these arguments come up, the Rantards always make it an LSU vs. USC argument, but that's wrong and minimizes the real elephant in the room, which is more regional (west coast and Northeastern media bias) plus the bias that exists because of the majority of the reporters who attended the particular schools like Michigan, OSU and some PAC 10 teams- hence their homerism for their particular school, which leaves out the Southern schools where they didn't attend- to say nothing of the population bias that has been well documented on this board on many occasions.
However, it seems to me that the original poster is focused more on USC than any other team
They are playing to an audience which includes but is not limited to ND, USC, Michigan and to some degree Florida schools where a large population base exists. If you can't see this you are just blind or dumb.
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