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re: McMahon may prove to be a solid hire.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:04 pm to Madking
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:04 pm to Madking
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Sometimes he’ll throw it into the post but there’s no horns look, there’s no zoom, there’s no dummy action, no lift cuts.
I am not the biggest fan of the style of offense we run personally but this isn't true. Like I said there are good things about what he does on offense but it's not my preferred style. With that being said, what you are saying is untrue. There are tons of dummy action within the offense. Zoom action is just a side ball DHO coming off a pin down. We do that. Lift cuts on PnRs when the corner defender tags the roll is there as well. We also start in horns some so I'm not sure if you are even watching the games. Horns just mean you have a 1-4 type of setup with the 2 guys on elbows and 2 guys on the wings. Almost any action can be run out of a horns look.
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:04 pm to The Shaqtus
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Madking, drizz, and alt arguing over the competency of mcmahon. We have officially entered basketball season
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:10 pm to redfishfan
If you’re just going to deny reality then there’s no discussion to be had. Everything is peaches we just don’t have any talent even though by any comparative standard that hasn’t been the case so I guess he’s just unlucky.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:11 pm to drizztiger
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but I don’t need drive-by basketball fans to blow sunshine
hey cheesecake, check your fuggin needs at the gate…
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:17 pm to Madking
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If you’re just going to deny reality then there’s no discussion to be had.
I gave a pretty detailed post about what I see. You just said we don't run X action or Y action when we do. Go watch the games.
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Everything is peaches
Nobody said that. I said we need to see a jump year 3 but years he's been solid so far. I even said and repeated I'm not completely sold yet. Not sure how that's peaches.
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Everything is peaches we just don’t have any talent even though by any comparative standard that hasn’t been the case so I guess he’s just unlucky.
So far it's been pretty obvious we haven't had a talented enough team to go the NCAA. This year I believe we do and that should be the expectation.
I think my points have been pretty reasonable. CMM has been solid. I'm not sold yet, but he can prove himself this year. This year is a very telling year for him.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:19 pm to Dissident Aggressor
quote:quote:hey cheesecake, check your fuggin needs at the gate…
but I don’t need drive-by basketball fans to blow sunshine
That was a pretty weak drive-by my man.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:22 pm to redfishfan
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I am not the biggest fan of the style of offense we run personally
What about it don’t you like, and what style would you prefer?
It's a serious question..
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:30 pm to redfishfan
He’s been solid? How do you arrive at that opinion?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:32 pm to JWill409
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What about it don’t you like, and what style would you prefer?
Sometimes with all the dummy actions going on the main action can take a while to execute so if the defense covers it up then we end up in a late clock high ball screen and don't get the best looks. That type of offense is sometimes easier to scout as well.
My preference is an offense that relies less on set actions and more on actions that are trigger and read based. This is much harder to do and takes more time to implement but is more effective if you can do it. In today's modern basketball, teams are going away from that because they have so much turnover year after year which makes these offenses hard to be good at. It's why you see these mid majors in the tourney have success with 4 year guys. They are running much more complex offenses compared to what Coach Cal could run at Kentucky.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:35 pm to Madking
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He’s been solid? How do you arrive at that opinion?
I know several posters are just ignoring the situation he walked into. This board was literally melting we would have to hire a bottom of the barrel coach because nobody would want to take this job. He walked into a terrible situation. Stabilized it. Make big improvements in year 2 and now has the talent to make the tourney in year 3. That's solid. When Wade was fired everybody understood this was a full rebuild and now certain posters are pretending like that wasn't the case.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:44 pm to redfishfan
What you just said is “he was hired so he’s done a solid job”
Btw just watched the first 8 minutes of the Syracuse game, not one possession was there any off ball action for us or any of the other things you claim we do.
Btw just watched the first 8 minutes of the Syracuse game, not one possession was there any off ball action for us or any of the other things you claim we do.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:50 pm to Madking
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Btw just watched the first 8 minutes of the Syracuse game, not one possession was there any off ball action for us or any of the other things you claim we do.
Went to youtube. Watched the first play. We literally ran Horns on the first play of the game. Horns look, ball screen into flare screen. But you said we don't run horns look.
Edit- 2nd play horns PnR with a lift cut which you said we don't run.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:57 pm to redfishfan
I did see the horns but it was only once and there was no lift cut. Again no off ball action and none of the things you said we do.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:04 pm to Madking
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I did see the horns but it was only once and there was no lift cut.
A lift cut is when a defender tags the roll man so you lift up to create space from that tagging defender. Happens on play 2. #1 Carols Stewart lifts when his defender steps to the roll man. Go to 2:34 left in the first half and there we have it zoom action. Again another action you said we dont run. And if you continue to watch the whole first half there are plenty of plays with off ball actions. We actually executed our man offense pretty good so Syracuse starting mixing in zone and it slowed us down.
Edited to add we ran horns the first 2 plays of the game and continued to run it so it was much more than once.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:11 pm to redfishfan
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He walked into a terrible situation. Stabilized it. Make big improvements in year 2 and now has the talent to make the tourney in year 3. That's solid. When Wade was fired everybody understood this was a full rebuild and now certain posters are pretending like that wasn't the case.
I don't think anyone ever claimed McMahon was walking into a "good" situation. However, I think we've seen over the course of 3 years in this transfer era that almost anytime a coaching change occurs it results in an immediate "full rebuild". John Calipari has one returning player from Arkansas's roster last year. Rick Pitino had two returning players to start his first season at St. John's last season. Mark Pope doesn't have a single returning player on his roster at Kentucky from last year. That's just three examples of many and are some of the biggest names (Cal and Pitino) and biggest brands (Kentucky) in the sport. Now, with the benefit of hindsight, it's entirely likely a new HC would have been left with the same or close to "full rebuild" had Wade simply left to take another job without any type of investigation.
The sanctions levied against LSU were in reality nothing. LSU will have 13 "scholarship" players on their roster, just like they had last year, despite being docked 1 scholarship for each season. The portal was completely open to McMahon just like it has been to every over coach.
Countless fans want to continue to believe McMahon walked into a situation similar to that of Scott Drew at Baylor or even John Brady when he first came to LSU. That there were these crippling sanctions in place and he had to start from the ground up with only access to HS seniors and JUCO transfers to immediately build the roster. That a perilous "cloud of uncertainty" hung over the program preventing McMahon from being able to recruit good players, YET he simultaneously signed/retained several players with other major conf. options. However, that isn't reality. Entire teams, good teams, CAN be built in a single offseason. The mindset that it is totally unrealistic to think a coach can build a good team immediately is antiquated.
The bottom line is this. He sucked his first season. He was a lifelong mid major coach that was unprepared for and overwhelmed by the significant increase in competition at the major conf. level. LSU didn't just lose 16 SEC games. They weren't even competitive in most.
Year 2 didn't start out well. However, he was able to find his footing in his second trip through the SEC gauntlet and show signs he could compete there.
He now enters year 3 with a significantly different team (like most coaches do today), but also 2 years of being in the major conf. grind. Hopefully he is now battle tested and comfortable with everything that comes with being a major conf. coach, and that comfort level will now allow he and his team to take a major step forward.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:15 pm to Alt26
I agree with you on most of this. But we can't down play that although the sanctions never came like we thought, the threat of them could have impacted recruiting and perception of the program. I'm not saying they did but we can't pretend like we knew nothing was coming of the Wade situation.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:17 pm to redfishfan
Yea that’s simply not true
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:22 pm to Madking
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Yea that’s simply not true
What isn't?
You said we don't run horns look. A game you brought up shows we run horns and they run it on the first 2 plays of the game and you didn't notice
You said we don't run lift cuts. The second play of that game shows a lift cut by #1.
You said we don't run zoom action. That same game we see LSU run zoom action with 2:34 left in the first half. A pin down into a side DHO is literally zoom action.
So in one game of your choosing you dismantled your own narrative. It shows me you don't know what you are watching. If you can't see horns looks being run the first 2 plays of the game and you can't see zoom action with 2:34 left in the 1st. then Idk what to tell you.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:25 pm to redfishfan
What you just posted isn’t true as well as your narrative that he was so outgunned year 1 it was a solid job to finish 2-16 with the longest losing streak in program history. We were picked in the top half of the league and as a bubble team that season.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:27 pm to redfishfan
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we can't down play that although the sanctions never came like we thought, the threat of them could have impacted recruiting and perception of the program.
The fact that he was still able to recruit good players is proof that this alleged cloud was not the deterrent for players that many fans try to make it out to be.
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