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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:32 am to moneyg
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I think everyone agrees you shouldn't lead with the crown of your helmet and certainly shouldn't lower your head when tackling. However, anyone being honest also knows that these defenders are protecting themselves as well...and they are reacting at incredible speeds. This wasn't a Chuck Cecil hit. This wasn't intentional. And, Malachi needs to protect himself as a runner. We see hits like this in every single game.
This. I believe in the rule against spearing, but sometimes, due the the speed of the game, and 2 moving players, it happens. The hit on Dupree looked intentional though.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:33 am to ColeLSU
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I'm just a ruthless a-hole in favor of broke necks
You are defending targeting and lowering your helmet as just part of the game so yeah, that is what you are doing.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:37 am to ItTakesAThief
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Most guys who get knocked unsconscious arms extend and open. We have seen this over and over in football. Jared Best in a bowl game was the most notable.
Arms extended and open is called the fencing response. Fencing response is when pressure has been put on the brainstem. Malachi's position was decorticate response. Which is a sign of damage to the nerve pathway between the brain and spinal cord.It's also a sign of brain damage and needs medical attention right away.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:37 am to ColeLSU
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ColeLSU
Go read the rule. Whether you think IN YOUR OPINION it wasn't a dirty hit, or that Dupre wasn't a defenseless receiver have NO BEARING on the way the rule is written. Read my last post about the 2013 rule change. You can't lead with the crown of the helmet or it is a penalty...it says nothing about whether the ball carrier is defenseless or not.
If the refs didn't throw a flag, they screwed up. Go look at a screen shot of the play and the defender looks like a torpedo with his arms at his sides. Don't think there's any way to argue he isn't leading with his helmet, which, according to the way the rule is written, is not a legal hit.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:40 am to glaucon
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You are defending targeting and lowering your helmet as just part of the game so yeah, that is what you are doing.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:44 am to moneyg
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You seem unable to see past the unfortunate result (player being injured in a scary way) to realize that a ball carrier with his feet under him heading downfield is always a little at risk of being blown up if he doesn't protect himself. It's been that way forever. It's football.
What part of the defender led with the crown of his helmet don't you understand? The game has to evolve. Yes, you can't prevent all injuries and concussions. shite will happen because it is a fast and physical game. That doesn't make that hit, which was clearly illegal under current rules, acceptable. Folks have to stop defending bad hits that we know eventually can lead to serious brain injuries. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:45 am to moneyg
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I absolutely can't say that the defender was trying to "launch" himself and lead with the crown. I
I know it's blurry, but the best I could find. This is the hit at initial impact.
If you can look at that picture and with a straight face, say that you can't say the defender was trying to launch, and leading with the crown, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's illegal to lead the tackle with your head. And it has nothing to do with helmets clashing. Their helmets never clashed.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:46 am to Neauxla_Tiger
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If the refs didn't throw a flag, they screwed up. Go look at a screen shot of the play and the defender looks like a torpedo with his arms at his sides. Don't think there's any way to argue he isn't leading with his helmet, which, according to the way the rule is written, is not a legal hit.
Must be nice to be perfect.
I understand the words and their meaning. I also understand that things in this world dont go as planned or follow guidelines. So Im simply choosing not to crucify a guy like everyone else here.
I also am apparently an awful human because of this decision.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:47 am to Stevo
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What new rule?
leading with head.
Spearing with the crown has been illegal since 1976. Now, if you want to say that the rule wasn't enforced very much, I would agree. Big hits have always been big ratings. But it's not a new rule.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:51 am to ColeLSU
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Must be nice to be perfect.
I understand the words and their meaning. I also understand that things in this world dont go as planned or follow guidelines. So Im simply choosing not to crucify a guy like everyone else here.
I also am apparently an awful human because of this decision.
So you know that the player made an illegal hit, you just want it to not be a big deal because it is asking to much of people to both play by the rules and the rules to be enforced correctly. You frick up, then there should be consequences. But yeah, I am the snowflake.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:53 am to ColeLSU
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Must be nice to be perfect.
I understand the words and their meaning. I also understand that things in this world dont go as planned or follow guidelines. So Im simply choosing not to crucify a guy like everyone else here.
Lol I'm not crucifying the guy. I'm just saying the hit was not legal, whether he did it intentionally or not. That's the rule, whether you like it or not. You seemed to not understand that the rule existed
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:55 am to glaucon
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So you know that the player made an illegal hit, you just want it to not be a big deal because it is asking to much of people to both play by the rules and the rules to be enforced correctly. You frick up, then there should be consequences. But yeah, I am the snowflake.
Ok. Fine. Yep, frick that guy. Hope he never plays another down. He made an awful decision in a split second time and went with his head down into another football players chest. WTF, frick him and his career. Im sitting in my nice lazy-boy judging the hell out of his incapability to follow a simple rule book. What a loser. Hope he and his family enjoy his new job at Whataburger. He deserves it.
Am I doing it right yet?
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:58 am to Neauxla_Tiger
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You seemed to not understand that the rule existed
Youre getting caught up in the technicality of a rulebook. Never was about that. I'm arguing that all the people in the beginning of this thread berating him need to calm down. I just simply dont think it was aggregious enough for everyone to flip out
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:59 am to ColeLSU
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Ok. Fine. Yep, frick that guy. Hope he never plays another down. He made an awful decision in a split second time and went with his head down into another football players chest. WTF, frick him and his career. Im sitting in my nice lazy-boy judging the hell out of his incapability to follow a simple rule book. What a loser. Hope he and his family enjoy his new job at Whataburger. He deserves it.
Am I doing it right yet?
Not really. 15 yards and ejected for the game would be the appropriate response. The NFL should catch up with the college game. That and folks like yourself not defending hits like that as just part of football.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:01 am to ColeLSU
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Youre getting caught up in the technicality of a rulebook. Never was about that. I'm arguing that all the people in the beginning of this thread berating him need to calm down. I just simply dont think it was aggregious enough for everyone to flip out
He led with the crown of his helmet and Dupre is in the hospital because of it but yeah, everyone is getting hysterical that the rule ought to be enforced.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:04 am to Festus
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I know it's blurry, but the best I could find. This is the hit at initial impact.
If you can look at that picture and with a straight face, say that you can't say the defender was trying to launch, and leading with the crown, then I don't know what to tell you.
I find it humorous that you've taken a still frame of a slow motion video to draw the conclusion. the game is played at real speed and these guys are trying to, make a tackle, hit the player hard, protect themelves all at the same time. I think it's about 100x more likely that the player is trying to get across Malachi's body, but malachi beat him to the spot. then, Malachi is lowering his level, but doesn't quite get low enough on time.
In other words, it's football.
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It's illegal to lead the tackle with your head
I don't think we're arguing about the technical legalities of the rule. Is that what you think is being discussed?
It's illegal to accidentally slap the head of a QB when rushing the passer. Does that make it dangerous? Does that prevent it from accidentally happening all of the time? Plays like this will continue to happen because it's almost impossible to prevent. And, if you try to legislate around it, you end up with situations where games are decided on events that can't be avoided. It's what is frustrating a lot of fans.
A very reasonable line to draw is the defenseless vs. non-defenseless player. Crackbacks, WRs in the air, etc. are very vulnerable. I think fans recognize this and are willing to accept this line. And, players seem to be adapting.
But, once a player is no longer defenseless, it is his responsibility to evade, protect himself in the open field. The defenders job is to prevent the runner from getting first down and a foot makes a difference all of the time. They are going to go in hard and fast because they have to. And, there are some runners in the league who, if you don't go 100%, will bury you.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:07 am to ColeLSU
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Youre getting caught up in the technicality of a rulebook. Never was about that.
You called it a legal hit on page 1 (and so did a lot of other people that seem to think that the ball carrier having a chance to defend himself makes the launching legal). But yeah, I'm not insisting the guy is a thug or anything
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:08 am to glaucon
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He led with the crown of his helmet and Dupre is in the hospital because of it but yeah, everyone is getting hysterical that the rule ought to be enforced.
You are so emotionally driven, that you aren't even following the conversation. I think most accept that the technicality of the rule may have been broken. I'll say that the practical application of that rule as it pertains to non-defenseless players in the open field is different than the technicalities. I'll also say that the hit wasn't intentional and is fairly common.
Try go get past the emotion of seeing a player you like hurt, and think about this logically. Rule or no rule, these hits are going to continue to happen.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:08 am to moneyg
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I don't think we're arguing about the technical legalities of the rule. Is that what you think is being discussed?
It's illegal to accidentally slap the head of a QB when rushing the passer. Does that make it dangerous? Does that prevent it from accidentally happening all of the time? Plays like this will continue to happen because it's almost impossible to prevent. And, if you try to legislate around it, you end up with situations where games are decided on events that can't be avoided. It's what is frustrating a lot of fans.
A very reasonable line to draw is the defenseless vs. non-defenseless player. Crackbacks, WRs in the air, etc. are very vulnerable. I think fans recognize this and are willing to accept this line. And, players seem to be adapting.
But, once a player is no longer defenseless, it is his responsibility to evade, protect himself in the open field. The defenders job is to prevent the runner from getting first down and a foot makes a difference all of the time. They are going to go in hard and fast because they have to. And, there are some runners in the league who, if you don't go 100%, will bury you.
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