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re: Make Tebow and Meyer pay for their stupidity
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:18 pm to GeauxBob
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:18 pm to GeauxBob
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Offering an opinion of playing it cautious and safe is actually the more respected medical opinions.
It ain't a medical opinion. It's an opinion anyone could have whether or not they're in the medical field.
Read the post above by the women who's spouse is a neurologist.
That's as far as anyone who isn't intimately acquainted with the case can go and still have their opinion be considered a "medical" opinion.
And no matter how nasty you want to get, calling someone an idiot is an insult. Saying you didn't is a lie.
Face it, you're just looking for excuses (overcautious refs) for the whipping your team is about to endure.
This post was edited on 10/10/09 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:19 pm to GeauxBob
Dr's say he's fine. Last year Andrew Hatch suffered a concussion against Auburn.
Hatch was held out of the game the next weekend, but he returned to practice on Tuesday, 10 days after his concussion (the exact timeframe Tebow sat out) and Miles had this to say....
Hatch played in the next game, vs. Florida. Granted there was an off-week before the Florida game, but he was back with the team.
I believe Hatch received solid medical advice and treatment from a very good staff at LSU. And, he showed no ill effects. I am equally confident Tebow got good advice and treatment. Neither staff is stupid.
Here's to a good hard hitting game, with all players leaving healthy
Hatch was held out of the game the next weekend, but he returned to practice on Tuesday, 10 days after his concussion (the exact timeframe Tebow sat out) and Miles had this to say....
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"Andrew Hatch looked great," Miles said. "With the time off, his arm was awfully fresh. We'll still play two quarterbacks."
Hatch played in the next game, vs. Florida. Granted there was an off-week before the Florida game, but he was back with the team.
I believe Hatch received solid medical advice and treatment from a very good staff at LSU. And, he showed no ill effects. I am equally confident Tebow got good advice and treatment. Neither staff is stupid.
Here's to a good hard hitting game, with all players leaving healthy
This post was edited on 10/10/09 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:24 pm to GeauxBob
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if UF, Meyer, the doctors, and might Tebow put more on this game than his lifetime of health, then he deserves to get his block knocked to show kids that football is never more important than your health.
If he plays, I hope he gets out ok. You're kind of fricked up.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:25 pm to aibo synthetic
Good to see there aren't any more crazies on this board than any others.
Y'all have a good game!
Y'all have a good game!
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:28 pm to catsigater
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Good to see there aren't any more crazies on this board than any others.
Y'all have a good game!
Haven't been to the Score Board I see.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:29 pm to panhandle gator
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Last year Andrew Hatch suffered a concussion against Auburn.
I know what you're saying, but apples and oranges. Hatch immediately got up and got himself off the field. He stayed at the stadium for the rest of the game. He didn't yak his guts up. Everyone knows Tebow's situation. His concussion was much worse.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:30 pm to catsigater
Wow, so if another doctor's wife makes a claim, rather than an actual doctor that has both dealt with personally and worked on players having concussions says its silly to have him back this early, you believe a doctor's wife. Why? because she supports your side of the argument.
I am not hoping for Tebow to get hurt. Read the rest of the topic you moron. I want LSU to win, but I want them to win by beating the team they play against with or without Tebow.
Having concern and being a more concerned physician and giving a MEDICAL opinion that he should be held out is not stupid. My medical policy has ALWAYS been that if the person loses consciousness following trauma to the head, they should be held out from any strenuous activity for 2 weeks. PERIOD!
As for Hatch, while wobbly, he didn't black out/pass out due to the blow. That is the key.
If Tebow plays, good luck to the kid, but I hope my Tigers plant him on his back every play for a sack or hit legally. No holding back.
I am not hoping for Tebow to get hurt. Read the rest of the topic you moron. I want LSU to win, but I want them to win by beating the team they play against with or without Tebow.
Having concern and being a more concerned physician and giving a MEDICAL opinion that he should be held out is not stupid. My medical policy has ALWAYS been that if the person loses consciousness following trauma to the head, they should be held out from any strenuous activity for 2 weeks. PERIOD!
As for Hatch, while wobbly, he didn't black out/pass out due to the blow. That is the key.
If Tebow plays, good luck to the kid, but I hope my Tigers plant him on his back every play for a sack or hit legally. No holding back.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:32 pm to Tiger7109
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I have no problems whatsoever with him getting knocked the f*ck out again tonight.
Pardon my aging azz (or not, as you wish), but I have a problem with any young student athlete, from LSU or any other school getting seriously injured on the field insomuch as I never like to see it ... but FB is a violent sport and it inevitably happens to FB players at all levels, despite all precautions.
As to whether we think Tim will play tonight or not: nope, we don't. Why would UF and UM want to cue Chavis in to home in and game plan on just one QB when he can leave LSU's DC preparing for two? (Although Chavis has been around FB plenty long enough to know what the odds of Tebow playing or not tonight are and to game plan according ... it's the fans - who aren't docs - and media who have all the angst and fun speculating one way or the other!)
But to assume if Tim does play tonight it must be ill-advised medically is even stupider than your post. No one, least of all UM and Tim's family, not to mention the liability of UF and its consulting physician and the world class consulting docs from the facility not far from us up here who flew down to UF.
No d*mn doctor at any major 1A program is going to send a young man who suffered a traumatic brain injury out to play unless he's been fully vetted to. If Tebow has, he and his family have been made aware of the risks any FB player who has suffered a severe concussion may encounter if another should unfortunately occur tonight or within the next few weeks.
Sports neurologists have as superior understanding of this type of sports brain injury as it is ever possible to have where the brain is concerned. Once you've cleared all the tests back to baseline and been honest about your symptoms (and I believe this competitive young man, no matter how much he yearns to play, will be as honest as he can with his HC and docs), the player and his family decide to play again as soon as cleared, to wait a while longer, or to never play again based on the possibility of future concussions and subsequent brain damage.
It would, however, come as a real surprise to my hubby if Tebow takes the field to play tonight, for sure based on his knowledge and admitted conservative medical views where traumatic brain injuries are concerned ... but, then, he's seen the end result of too many of them caused by all kinds of accidental injuries throughout the years.
Once cleared medically, in the end it's a decision facing every athlete and his family on the heels of this type of injury.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:36 pm to GeauxBob
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Wow, so if another doctor's wife makes a claim, rather than an actual doctor that has both dealt with personally and worked on players having concussions says its silly to have him back this early, you believe a doctor's wife. Why? because she supports your side of the argument.
No, because that particular doctor understands how far a physician can go in offering an opinion on a case based on the limited FACTS at hand.
You overstepped that.
You personally insulted the player at hand, by calling him an idiot, then said you didn't.
You've given no reason to take you seriously on this, and every reason not to.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:37 pm to GeauxBob
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so if another doctor's wife makes a claim, rather than an actual doctor that has both dealt with personally and worked on players having concussions says its silly to have him back this early, you believe a doctor's wife. Why? because she supports your side of the argument.
Like hell I do, read my previous post.
His "wife" might just work in medical research at the same hospital her husband does ... but you wouldn't know that would you?
Geez, you d*mn MD's really do get ensnared with that god complex, don't you?
Hell no, my hubby doesn't believe as a neurosurgeon that Tebow is going to play tonight, but you're so busy lording your MD over posters here, you spouted off before reading my post previous to this one, eh?
Carry on, doc, carry on. But one thing is for sure, eh? Neither you, nor me, nor my hubby want to see this young man take the field tonight for his own safety's safe, right?
Plus, you and me and my hubby d*mn sure want LSU to beat the crap out of UF, right?
I'll leave it with you at that.
This post was edited on 10/10/09 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:38 pm to HomesickLadyTiger
HomesickLadyTiger, I believe you, myself, and your husband seem to have the same opinion. We are both conservative when it comes such injuries because we know the potential negative effects that come from them. I don't think the doctors are going to be clearing him when they don't feel he's ready, but at the same time, they can be swayed to make a decision that is like the following, "While I don't recommend he play overall, the risk is low that he will get any further damage or suffer due to second impact today." Real easy to just want to hear the risk is low, but if its even 5%, as a conservative physician and the potential consequences, I don't believe its worth it.
I wish the best for Timmy if he does play, but I hope they blitz the hell out of him and knock him to the ground. It's his choice, and there will be consequences, but I hope that LSU doesn't hold back. That is my point in this entire thread.
I wish the best for Timmy if he does play, but I hope they blitz the hell out of him and knock him to the ground. It's his choice, and there will be consequences, but I hope that LSU doesn't hold back. That is my point in this entire thread.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:41 pm to GeauxBob
This thread was good until the personal attacks started
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:41 pm to HomesickLadyTiger
I never insulted you, but my point was that this Gator fan threw away my medical opinion because it disagreed with his, and agreed with yours agreed with his. Plain and simple. Trust me, researchers are the life blood of medicine.
I, like your husband, simply feel that this is stupid and to risk injury, even if cleared is irresponsible and sets a bad example. I also hate that decisions like this may affect the game by altering how officials call it with regards to a single player.
I, like your husband, simply feel that this is stupid and to risk injury, even if cleared is irresponsible and sets a bad example. I also hate that decisions like this may affect the game by altering how officials call it with regards to a single player.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:42 pm to GeauxBob
And it's a good point, if you had just stuck to it.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:45 pm to catsigater
I did until you decided to turn this into a Knight fight for your beloved Timmy's name.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:46 pm to GeauxBob
Anyone from LSU knows how the four letter network loves to sensationalize stories for ratings.
Tebow has been examined repeatedly by upwards of 15 neurologists, including three flown in from Pitt on a daily basis. Those tests have been compared to baseline tests that were completed in June and all have shown he's where he was before the injury. As such, these Specialists have declared him ready to play.
The Dr's are not relying exclusively on him to report symptoms. If you think a football coach is going to influence an independent Neurologist to compromise their medical opinions, you're mistaken.
I do believe Meyer has taken advantage of this to shield his team from the media and avoid any bulletin board material while keeping LSU guessing.
This has the promise of a great game and I'm looking forward to putting all this behind and seeing them both tee it up.
Tebow has been examined repeatedly by upwards of 15 neurologists, including three flown in from Pitt on a daily basis. Those tests have been compared to baseline tests that were completed in June and all have shown he's where he was before the injury. As such, these Specialists have declared him ready to play.
The Dr's are not relying exclusively on him to report symptoms. If you think a football coach is going to influence an independent Neurologist to compromise their medical opinions, you're mistaken.
I do believe Meyer has taken advantage of this to shield his team from the media and avoid any bulletin board material while keeping LSU guessing.
This has the promise of a great game and I'm looking forward to putting all this behind and seeing them both tee it up.
This post was edited on 10/10/09 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:48 pm to panhandle gator
Here is to a good game Panhandle Gator!
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:49 pm to GeauxBob
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I wish the best for Timmy if he does play, but I hope they blitz the hell out of him and knock him to the ground. It's his choice, and there will be consequences, but I hope that LSU doesn't hold back. That is my point in this entire thread.
You got that right, doc. It occurred to me after I fired off that post that I should have pointed out I know all about that "complex" (
Plus, you answered my maiden post before you had a chance to read my subsequent one ... perils of free-wheeling game day Rant!
I mellowed by the end, cause I can easily see in your posts you have the same concerns for this young athlete my beloved hubby does - the same concern you'd have for any athlete in Tebow's place tonight. You've seen the end result of your share of traumatic brain injuries, too, and they can be devastating and sometimes sadly permanent. Nothing to mess with.
Never got one playing FB, but I reckon you know what a pair of thalamic blood clots can cause - been three years and I'm still working on getting fully "back".
Discussions are intense here, but I'd like to believe we all want these fine student athletes to emerge from a hard played, tough hitting game tonight without any serious injuries no matter what jersey they wear.
That said
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:50 pm to panhandle gator
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The Dr's are not relying exclusively on him to report symptoms and, if you think a football coach is going to influence their medical opinions, you're mistaken.
I thought GeauxBob said he personally witnessed influence
Posted on 10/10/09 at 3:52 pm to GeauxBob
Yes, Geaux Bob!
Games like this are what we as fans live for!
Games like this are what we as fans live for!
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