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re: Make Tebow and Meyer pay for their stupidity
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:03 pm to tigerkge
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:03 pm to tigerkge
I understand everyone's point, but Meyer has stated that the decision will be up to doctors.
Is that not the right example?
I suppose the issue is that he said it will be a gametime decision although making it clear it's up to doctors? I can see the argument, but I don't think it's a bad example. The message is clear, UF will not be jeopardizing the health of their players.
Is that not the right example?
I suppose the issue is that he said it will be a gametime decision although making it clear it's up to doctors? I can see the argument, but I don't think it's a bad example. The message is clear, UF will not be jeopardizing the health of their players.
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Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:07 pm to GatorSpiff
quote:Meyer is doing what a coach should do. Anyone saying different is a victim of exactly what he is wanting. Miles would do the same, if he's smart.
I understand everyone's point, but Meyer has stated that the decision will be up to doctors.
Is that not the right example?
I suppose the issue is that he said it will be a gametime decision although making it clear it's up to doctors? I can see the argument, but I don't think it's a bad example. The message is clear, UF will not be jeopardizing the health of their players.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:08 pm to Geauxtiga
Geauxtiga, the point wasn't that QBs get more concussions while trying to pass than running, but that QBs are much, much more likely to get concussions statistically. Of those concussions, most occur when a QB is passing due to unexpected hits. Tebow is actually at a higher risk than most for three reasons:
1) He's starting new tackles this year on both sides which is where most blind side or unseen hits occur
2) He accounts for a much larger portion of the teams plays as a QB
3) He runs like a fullback and initiates contacts in his style of play.
Most important though is that once you have an earlier injury so recently, it does not take a massive hit to cause brain trauma or permanent damage. It may just take his head hitting the turf awkwardly to do it, even if its him diving for a first down and hitting the crown of his helmet on the ground.
1) He's starting new tackles this year on both sides which is where most blind side or unseen hits occur
2) He accounts for a much larger portion of the teams plays as a QB
3) He runs like a fullback and initiates contacts in his style of play.
Most important though is that once you have an earlier injury so recently, it does not take a massive hit to cause brain trauma or permanent damage. It may just take his head hitting the turf awkwardly to do it, even if its him diving for a first down and hitting the crown of his helmet on the ground.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:10 pm to Geauxtiga
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Meyer is doing what a coach should do. Anyone saying different is a victim of exactly what he is wanting. Miles would do the same, if he's smart.
See, I disagree. I think it perpetuates the cavalier attitude in football that a knock on the head isn't a big deal. It would set a much better example to come clean and use this as a teachable moment that you just don't f*ck around with head injuries in sports.
I realize the stakes are a little too high to expect such altruism, but at least in theory, they should have taken the option of TT playing tonight off the table about two weeks ago. Right after he puked into that bag in the tunnel at Kentucky.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:12 pm to GatorSpiff
GatorSpiff, there is definitely gamesmanship here, but I just think the game of playing he "might be cleared" is what sets the worst example.
This is a great opportunity for a coach to really show that a player's health is much more important than the game.
I just think he has done the opposite and basically said, if he can play he'll play. As someone in the medical field, this is a sad thing to see, because its hard to tell a kid taking that extra time to make sure isn't that necessary.
I've always been a proponent of the whatever seems appropriate, add a week to it for concussions.
This is a great opportunity for a coach to really show that a player's health is much more important than the game.
I just think he has done the opposite and basically said, if he can play he'll play. As someone in the medical field, this is a sad thing to see, because its hard to tell a kid taking that extra time to make sure isn't that necessary.
I've always been a proponent of the whatever seems appropriate, add a week to it for concussions.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:16 pm to GatorSpiff
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Meyer has said repeatedly that it's up to the team of doctors and won't make a decision until he gets word from them. It's the media that has eluded to Tebow playing.
I want Tebow healthy..and to play....but Urban also said earlier this week...that if it were a Charleston Southern, he wouldn't risk it.
He's all about himself...and winning....but once Tebow steps on the field....it doesn't matter, play ball.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:18 pm to LSUBlake8
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I want Tebow healthy..and to play....but Urban also said earlier this week...that if it were a Charleston Southern, he wouldn't risk it.
Link?
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:18 pm to GeauxBob
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Furthermore, the fact he hasn't had any symptoms since Monday show that he hasn't been clear of symptoms for more than a week.
That's logically not a good statement. The fact that he hasn't had symptoms since Monday, doesn't preclude him being asymptomatic prior to Monday.
Personally, I'd be ok if he sits this week. I kind of hope he does, but let's at least be rational.
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This is a great opportunity for a coach to really show that a player's health is much more important than the game.
If that were the case, we wouldn't play the game, would we?
This post was edited on 10/10/09 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:18 pm to LSUBlake8
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He's all about himself...
At the risk of the BEST player he has ever coached??? PLEASE.
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and winning
If you are the Coach that Meyer is, Then winning is important, BTW I am sure he has confidence in his back-up QB.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:20 pm to dukke v
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At the risk of the BEST player he has ever coached??? PLEASE.
can u prove he isn't? He's a freakin' cocky douchebag.....please
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If you are the Coach that Meyer is, Then winning is important, BTW I am sure he has confidence in his back-up QB.
well....if he does...play him.....sit Tebow and shut the hell up
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:20 pm to GeauxBob
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There is no reason this young man should be playing tonight, and if he's stupid enough to risk his health, and so are his coaches and team doctors, then so be it.
I hope he reads this because you are clearly an expert. Thank you so much for your input.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:21 pm to dukke v
He should have confidence in his back up QB.. I mean afterall, most Florida fans think Brantley can run the Florida offense at Death Valley just as successfully as Tebow 
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:21 pm to LSUBlake8
So when as a head coach do you throw away the expert advice of a team of top medical professionals and form your own opinion of the appropriate thing to do?
I'm sure Meyer, who to my knowledge didn't go to medical school, is listening closely to what the doctors are saying and will make the right choice.
I'm sure Meyer, who to my knowledge didn't go to medical school, is listening closely to what the doctors are saying and will make the right choice.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:21 pm to catsigater
Agreed catsigater, my point was more over that he wasn't ready one week prior to the game, not that he was asymptomatic for less than a week before the game.
My point was that he hadn't been asymptomatic and taken full practice one week prior. This is the metric I've always gone by for minimum needed to get clearance.
My point was that he hadn't been asymptomatic and taken full practice one week prior. This is the metric I've always gone by for minimum needed to get clearance.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:22 pm to LSUBlake8
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can u prove he isn't?
Can you prove he is????
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He's a freakin' cocky douchebag.....please
He is a winner. Nough said with your sad stupid arse.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:23 pm to Al Capown
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He should have confidence in his back up QB.. I mean afterall, most Florida fans think Brantley can run the Florida offense at Death Valley just as successfully as Tebow
No one's said that. We've said Brantley was capable of running it well enough to win.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:24 pm to GeauxBob
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Agreed catsigater, my point was more over that he wasn't ready one week prior to the game, not that he was asymptomatic for less than a week before the game. My point was that he hadn't been asymptomatic and taken full practice one week prior. This is the metric I've always gone by for minimum needed to get clearance.
Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:24 pm to catsigater
I'm not talking about just fans here.
Florida fans on another message board have been saying that.
Florida fans on another message board have been saying that.
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:25 pm to dukke v
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Can you prove he is????
actually...yes..i can.....w/ his little punk azz comments w/ Kiffin and such.
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He is a winner. Nough said with your sad stupid arse.
A winning douchbag........now take your dumbazz and go join the lovefest w/ Urban and Tebow...punk
Posted on 10/10/09 at 12:26 pm to GatorSpiff
GatorSpiff, I don't think anyone of us thinks Meyer is going to play Tebow without medical clearance from the team doctors, but I also don't think team doctors are necessarily worth a shite. I've dealt with them and most are not the most competent in the world, and several times they've erred on the side of the coaches' and teams' hopes rather than being sound medically.
I am in no way saying that the UF doctors are in any way like this, but my experiences have just made me wary.
I am in no way saying that the UF doctors are in any way like this, but my experiences have just made me wary.
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