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re: LSU's Miles is 7th highest paid head coach
Posted on 11/7/13 at 1:46 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 11/7/13 at 1:46 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Sounds like a team I know that some people consider to be in the top 5 programs nationally.
Then, why did that team win but 9 games in 04, finish 4th in the SEC, out of the SEC race in 1st week of Oct., and wind up at #16 nationally? Poor coaching job?
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Posted on 11/7/13 at 1:53 pm to dukke v
Actually we are getting a good deal on miles. Other than Meyer and saban, who has been better? None of them.
Its funny cus I see names thrown around that are not far off of miles salary. So basically wed have to pay some one more than what we are paying miles if y'all want a change. Other than that I don't think lsu would throw that kind of money at anyone. So wed be getting a no name.
Its funny cus I see names thrown around that are not far off of miles salary. So basically wed have to pay some one more than what we are paying miles if y'all want a change. Other than that I don't think lsu would throw that kind of money at anyone. So wed be getting a no name.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 1:57 pm to Random LSU Hero
Remember when people wanted holgerson over miles?
Posted on 11/7/13 at 1:59 pm to Salmon
quote:
3. Bret Bielema, Arkansas $5,158,863
4. Butch Jones, Tennessee $4,860,000
These are a little skewed. They include their respective money owed from previous schools
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:00 pm to mmcgrath
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some people consider to be in the top 5 programs nationa
Top 5 for a 8 yr period of time overall...sure. I don't know how that can be debated when you have national rankings of #3, #5, #1, #17, #8, #2, #12, and current #10. Add in 3 west titles, 2 SEC titles, and 2 BCSG appearances. You know of 5 programs that have none better overall in the last 8 yrs.?
I don't.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:01 pm to Geauxgurt
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Are people really making fun of Arkansas and Tennessee for paying first year coaches that are rebuilding programs? Some of you really have no sense of circumstances. Hell, Saban went 7-6 his first year at Bama. Turning around a program doesn't happen overnight.
Bama went 10-2 and 6-6. Before saban. Shula had some bad luck with injuries. What turn around?
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:04 pm to dos crystal
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amazing what fans will do to try and tear down their own program.
Swings both ways though. Anyone can manipulate stats to fit their agendas. Fact remains that Les hasn't taken LSU above where he found them.
Two years for each coach's teams prior to taking over said team:
Bama (Saban) = 16-9
Texas (Brown) = 12-12
Arkansas (Bielema) = 15-10
Tennessee (Jones) = 10-14
OU (Stoops) = 9-14
Louisville (Strong) = 9-15
Michigan (Hoke) = 12-13
Iowa (Ferentz) = 10-13
tOSU (Meyer) = 18-8
LSU (Miles) = 22-4
So it's a pretty damn big circumstance that he had over all of them.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:14 pm to blackjackjackson
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comments???
and we have people complain about Miles salary relative to the CFB coaching world???
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:34 pm to blackjackjackson
2 thru 5 are not money well spent
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:45 pm to blackjackjackson
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2. Mack Brown, Texas $5,453,750
3. Bret Bielema, Arkansas $5,158,863
4. Butch Jones, Tennessee $4,860,000
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma $4,741,667
This is pretty comical
ETA: Butch Jones is making waves. Let's see if he can get to Atlanta in the next few seasons though.
This post was edited on 11/7/13 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:57 pm to blackjackjackson
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3. Bret Bielema, Arkansas $5,158,863
4. Butch Jones, Tennessee $4,860,000
huh
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:58 pm to Geauxgurt
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Fact remains that Les hasn't taken LSU above where he found them.
He "found them" at #16 nationally. He found them with not one back to back 10 win season in the 5 yrs prior to his arrival. He found them with 1 Top 5 national ranking in the 5 yrs prior to his arrival. He found them with 1 11 win or better season prior to his arrival.
Within 3 yrs he had "them" with 3 Top 5 national rankings, 3 11 win or better seasons, and 3 back to back 10 win seasons.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:10 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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He "found them" at #16 nationally. He found them with not one back to back 10 win season in the 5 yrs prior to his arrival. He found them with 1 Top 5 national ranking in the 5 yrs prior to his arrival. He found them with 1 11 win or better season prior to his arrival.
Within 3 yrs he had "them" with 3 Top 5 national rankings, 3 11 win or better seasons, and 3 back to back 10 win seasons.
He took over a program that had won an NC 2 years before and the previous year, lost to two teams on the road by 1 point to an eventual undefeated and beaten badly by another on the road. I don't really think much about the bowl game since it was obvious the players'/coaches' heads weren't into it with Saban and company leaving.
If Miles doesn't luck into the NC game in 2007 with 2-losses, he's not even matching Saban's tenure here with 8 years to show for himself.
He also has benefitted with the back-to-back 10 win seasons by the fact the there were now 12 game regular seasons, a conference championship, and a bowl game.
That is why I laugh when people bring up these numbers, they are affected by the fact that he got one more garbage game added per year compared to coaches in the past.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:17 pm to blackjackjackson
So many fails in that list. It's amazing to me how many of these schools get suckered in to paying these guys all this money with little or no results. If we all did that on our jobs, we'd be fired.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:23 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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So many fails in that list. It's amazing to me how many of these schools get suckered in to paying these guys all this money with little or no results. If we all did that on our jobs, we'd be fired.
Again, how are there that many fails?
Bielema and Jones are in their first years rebuilding two down programs.
Strong has done well at Louisville in revitalizing that program.
Stoops for all the hate, got them an NC and 3 other NC appearances and a ton of conference titles/BCS bowls.
Mack is definitely on the downturn, but brought UT from horrible underachiever to an NC win, another NC appearance, near 3rd one, and has them as badly as they lost this year in contention for a Big XII title.
Ferentz brought Iowa to uncharted levels and then dropped off, so you have a point there.
In the end, people write off these guys when they had 1/10th of what Les was handed at LSU.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:24 pm to blackjackjackson
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comments???
about right
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:32 pm to moneyg
Comments??
Expect Kevin Sumlin to move up on this list and the next time this comes out Art Briles makes the cut...
Expect Kevin Sumlin to move up on this list and the next time this comes out Art Briles makes the cut...
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:36 pm to Geauxgurt
I love how people dismiss what Miles has done under the assumption that sustaining a succesful program requires nothing more than pressing cruise control and saying "frick it". Then again, it's not like any great programs have gone to utter shite due to an apathetic or inept coach... Oh wait.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:36 pm to blackjackjackson
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1. Nick Saban, Alabama $5,545,85
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7. Les Miles, LSU $4,459,363
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18. Bo Pelini, Nebraska $2,975,000
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21. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State $2,750,000
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22. Will Muschamp, Florida $2,734,500
5 of the top 25 have worn purple and gold as Tiger coaches. Interesting.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:39 pm to lsu2006
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I love how people dismiss what Miles has done under the assumption that sustaining a succesful program requires nothing more than pressing cruise control and saying "frick it". Then again, it's not like any great programs have gone to utter shite due to an apathetic or inept coach... Oh wait.
So accepting that Miles took over a program just reaching its peak as compared to down programs means he sucks? He doesn't suck, but his record is inflated compared to others when you look what each took over, plain and simple.
That said, he's done an above average job given the circumstances, but not one, IMO that merits his salary.
This post was edited on 11/7/13 at 3:47 pm
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