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re: LSU signee Zack Von Rosenberg
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:03 am to BatonrougeCajun
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:03 am to BatonrougeCajun
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No chance. He is one of the best closers in the NCAA. That's his job for the next several years. Finding a quality and consistant closer is a very difficult thing to do.(at every level) LSU has one, a young one, don't mess with that
you don't need a dominant closer in college baseball, or at least it isn't as important as a good starter.
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Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:05 am to josh336
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you don't need a dominant closer in college baseball, or at least it isn't as important as a good starter.
signed,
houston street
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:08 am to BatonrougeCajun
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That's his job for the next several years.
doubt it
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:08 am to rcocke2
It's all one big crapshoot.
It's really about who drafts him rather than where. Teams the past few years who've had trouble signing guys have been the Yanks and Red Sox. The Rays always seem to sign their guys.
Many other factors like who their agent is also plays a part.
He won't be a first round guy unless the draft this year is not as strong as years past.
Case in point....the Garret Cole kid at UCLA was picked 28th by the Yankess last year. He sat in the 93+ range and topped out at 98....he was a Boras client and if not for that he would've went much higher.
It's really about who drafts him rather than where. Teams the past few years who've had trouble signing guys have been the Yanks and Red Sox. The Rays always seem to sign their guys.
Many other factors like who their agent is also plays a part.
He won't be a first round guy unless the draft this year is not as strong as years past.
Case in point....the Garret Cole kid at UCLA was picked 28th by the Yankess last year. He sat in the 93+ range and topped out at 98....he was a Boras client and if not for that he would've went much higher.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:11 am to Oopskie
When the World Series rolls around focus on the closer of every team there. Probably a lock down stud. I promise none of the teams you see will have a "closer by committee" or an unsettled bullpen.
Bullpen and lack of it is what continues and ends college baseball teams seasons. Plus it takes a special mindset to handle the ball in the 7-9th innings.
Developing a starter isnt as hard. He's got to have 3 pitches he can throw for strikes and be able to pitch backwards when the lineup turns over.
Plus has Matty shown that he is a 3 pitch pitcher?
Dude is a closer and putting him in the rotation at anytime in his career is a terrible idea.
Bullpen and lack of it is what continues and ends college baseball teams seasons. Plus it takes a special mindset to handle the ball in the 7-9th innings.
Developing a starter isnt as hard. He's got to have 3 pitches he can throw for strikes and be able to pitch backwards when the lineup turns over.
Plus has Matty shown that he is a 3 pitch pitcher?
Dude is a closer and putting him in the rotation at anytime in his career is a terrible idea.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:17 am to Ryan3232
i always wanted to be an astonaut when I grew up but money always wins so I invented Microsoft...i guess it's worked out pretty well so far...
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:29 am to BatonrougeCajun
No one is saying a bullpen isnt important.
why do u think Coleman was moved out of the bullpen to full time starter?
its the same reason Ott will be a year or 2 from now.
why do u think Coleman was moved out of the bullpen to full time starter?
its the same reason Ott will be a year or 2 from now.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:44 am to Lester Earl
Coleman would still be in the bullpen if Ott hadn't emerged. I can promise you that.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:45 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Coleman would still be in the bullpen if Ott hadn't emerged
+1
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:51 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Coleman would still be in the bullpen if Ott hadn't emerged. I can promise you that.
thats part of the reason, but i doubt that seriously.
what would i rotation be?
Ranaudo, Ross, Mautilis? lol
the same way Ott has filled in the pen this year, someone else will so that he can be moved to a starter.
Bullpen's are irrelevant without a decent starting pitcher, to begin with.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 10:58 am to Lester Earl
Lester I hear what you are saying, BUT, when coaches are building a pitching staff the first jobs they try to figure out are the Ace and the closer. They all want to book end it.
LSU went into the season with the ace (AR) and the closer (LC). LC only moved because of Ott. He would have stayed in the pen albeit he would have probably gone in for 3 and 4 inning saves.
Ranaudo, Ross and Mautilis would probably be your weekend rotation but you never comprimise the bull of your bullpen.
A lot of pitchers can be starters, very few can be closers.
LSU went into the season with the ace (AR) and the closer (LC). LC only moved because of Ott. He would have stayed in the pen albeit he would have probably gone in for 3 and 4 inning saves.
Ranaudo, Ross and Mautilis would probably be your weekend rotation but you never comprimise the bull of your bullpen.
A lot of pitchers can be starters, very few can be closers.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:01 am to Lester Earl
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thats part of the reason, but i doubt that seriously.
Mainieri has shown the willingness to pitch average starting pitchers in favor of having a strong bullpen. It's not outrageous stance that Coleman would still be in the pen had Ott not emerged. Pointing out that our starting rotation would be weak doesn't disprove that.
I don't think Ott will be a starter next year unless there is someone to take the closer spot. More than likely, Ott will be a closer first (Friday's and Saturday's) and start on Sunday if he's not used. That has been PM's MO.
The best case scenario is that LSU finds a couple of quality pitchers for next year. If that's the case, Ott still may stay in the closer role because he is so devastating.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:08 am to BatonrougeCajun
I disagree with just about everything you said.
it was never set in stone that Coleman was gonna be the closer full time. There was always possibility of moving him into the roation. It didnt take long either. Like 10 or 11 games to realize we only had one legit starting pitcher.
The same reason Jared Bradford ending up starting games last year as well.
Finding a closer isnt a #1 priority. Sorry, it just isn't. Saves are one of hte most overrated things in baseball.
simply not true. So many closers these days, esp in the major leagues, are FAILED starters.
and we would prob have near 25 losses, and Coleman and Ott in the bullpen would otherwise be irrelevant because they wouldnt be able to pitch in close games.
it was never set in stone that Coleman was gonna be the closer full time. There was always possibility of moving him into the roation. It didnt take long either. Like 10 or 11 games to realize we only had one legit starting pitcher.
The same reason Jared Bradford ending up starting games last year as well.
Finding a closer isnt a #1 priority. Sorry, it just isn't. Saves are one of hte most overrated things in baseball.
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A lot of pitchers can be starters, very few can be closers.
simply not true. So many closers these days, esp in the major leagues, are FAILED starters.
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Ranaudo, Ross and Mautilis would probably be your weekend rotation but you never comprimise the bull of your bullpen.
and we would prob have near 25 losses, and Coleman and Ott in the bullpen would otherwise be irrelevant because they wouldnt be able to pitch in close games.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:15 am to moneyg
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Mainieri has shown the willingness to pitch average starting pitchers in favor of having a strong bullpen
hard to really say that
for
1)last year all we really had were "average" starters. And Bradford ended up starting games because of that.
2) because he has moved Coleman to the rotation this year, and our bullpen outside of Ott is pretty non existant. If he wanted a strong back end, he still could have left Coleman there and went with the average starters.
3)he has resorted to throwing Buzzy Haydel and Chad Jones innings recently. Not that they are bad pitchers, or even have thrown many innings, but if that isnt "fishing", i dont know what is.
just the way I see it.
I dont really think we can pin point a strategy yet on how he really likes to use his pitchers because I dont think he has really had a full "aresenal" of quality arms yet. Though I think this year is closer to how he would use his arms than last year was. He experimented A LOT last year, and the whole Bradford thing was a pretty big fail.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
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There was always possibility of moving him into the roation. It didnt take long either. Like 10 or 11 games to realize we only had one legit starting pitcher.
It could easily be argued that it was Ott's emergence, not the lack of starting pitching that allowed that move. Obviously both are legitimate factors, but if there was no Ott, I think there is a good chance that Coleman would still be in the pen...because Mainieri knows (and has said multiple times) that guys in the pen can affect multiple games.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:31 am to moneyg
Ott was definitely a factor.
but he was like 4 appearences into his career with a total of like 8 innings of work.
I just think lack of starting pitching was the biggest factor.
Where do u think we would be without Coleman in the rotation most of the year?
pretty fricked IMO.
thats why i think Ott spends at most, one more year in the pen, then he is converted back to a starting pitcher.
the 3 pitches shite is overrated. Coleman nor Ranaudo have a strong 3rd pitch and they do just fine.
but he was like 4 appearences into his career with a total of like 8 innings of work.
I just think lack of starting pitching was the biggest factor.
Where do u think we would be without Coleman in the rotation most of the year?
pretty fricked IMO.
thats why i think Ott spends at most, one more year in the pen, then he is converted back to a starting pitcher.
the 3 pitches shite is overrated. Coleman nor Ranaudo have a strong 3rd pitch and they do just fine.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:33 am to Lester Earl
speaking of..how come raunado hasnt developed a changeup yet?
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:46 am to TJG210
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Didn't he pitch against Belle Chasse? Does he have a brother that plays for Zachary as well? Will he be a prospect?
10 pitches in the 7th to close.
His younger brother (freshman) plays LF, DH, and does some pitching.
Should be a good match up with SHHS. Yes they hit well, but, they played much weaker competition.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 11:51 am to Cuz413
speaking of..how come raunado hasnt developed a changeup yet?
He shows a flash change. He is knows how to backwards pitch and prevents big innings so he has been successful without a plus change. Plus he throws 2 variations of fastballs so thats 2 pitches right there. Coleman also throws multiple fastballs.
Ott could be a starter, but when you have a first closer, you keep him as a first class closer. why does everyone want to reinvent the wheel.
He shows a flash change. He is knows how to backwards pitch and prevents big innings so he has been successful without a plus change. Plus he throws 2 variations of fastballs so thats 2 pitches right there. Coleman also throws multiple fastballs.
Ott could be a starter, but when you have a first closer, you keep him as a first class closer. why does everyone want to reinvent the wheel.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 12:27 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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Should be a good match up with SHHS. Yes they hit well, but, they played much weaker competition
I would agree that 2 of the teams in there district were terrible, but Eunice the third place team made it to the semis, plus that schedule does include a 10-6 win over Zachary
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