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re: LSU Reaches out to Clancy Pendergast Update 1/2 2:58PM Coach CP front runner DC

Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:55 pm to
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that article conveniently left off where his defense finished 99th overall in 2012, the year he was fired.



Exactly, his defense got worse EVERY year at Cal.

His defense at USC gave up 21+ ppg.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15363 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:57 pm to
I said it yesterday and was bashed by pretty much everybody but the guy is a risky hire. I think he's going to be the guy though.
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:59 pm to
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That is the concern with CP, sustainability.


I have yet to see a resume in which the candidate's stats say "twenty years of DC experience at only schools which won national titles, surrendered zero points in every game he coached, never gave up a 300 yard passer/100 yard rusher. There is a 100% chance he will be the greatest DC in school history."
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14958 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:59 pm to
Who's your choice?
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:00 pm to
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the guy is a risky hire.


There's no perfect candidate, to be fair.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15363 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:04 pm to
Very true, there is no perfect candidate. I wish Pendergast had a longer resume as a DC so we could really see what his long term sustainability truly is. What we do have on him points to a successful quick turnaround but a quick fall off in year 3. Is the sample size to small? yes, but its all we have to go on.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:08 pm to
Cal doesn't have nearly the resources as LSU.

USC went through sanctions he was there right after that time.

This is the same guy who was suggested to be DC at the skins. Is he the greatest DC to ever coach in football, no. But He is clearly the best available and I think he will be a good fit for the talent we bring in here.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:14 pm to
There are a small handful of defensive coaches in the college ranks who could have sustainable hires, most of them probably will eventually become head coaches or be sucked up by the NFL. Chavis was one of those for the most part. I think Smart is one, Muschamp maybe, Maybe a couple others. But to think that we will always guys who have really good resumes and long success is a pipe dream. I'm fine with picking up a guy who is up and coming and has the smarts to be a great defensive coordinator but just hasn't had much stats to back up his smarts.
Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
Member since Apr 2009
22291 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:15 pm to
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Exactly, his defense got worse EVERY year at Cal.


that's not the case, when he coached in the NFL. In 2006, he had the #4 ranked defense at Arizonaa, and in 2009 he had the #3 ranked defense at KC. He had couple seasons where his defense was ranked in the teens as well. I'm not sure what happened at Cal, but Chavis had some bad years at Tennessee, but he did fine at LSU. I'm sure he will do fine, with the talent LSU has.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15363 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:15 pm to
you know that resources comment doesn't hold a lot of water when you finished #1 in the conference and top 25 in the country the two previous years.

i know to you this may sound like beating a dead drum but from my standpoint, the "resource/talent" equation is non-valid argument. If you disagree take a long look at LSU's offense this year, Mallory-Peveto's defense and Crowton's/Stud's Offense.

Talent only gets you so far. If you drop from Top 25 to 99, odds are its a lot more than talent causing the problem. I think Crowton's offense was 112 at one point? And he had a lot of talent to work with.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
72315 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:16 pm to
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But He is clearly the best available and I think he will be a good fit for the talent we bring in here.


Clearly the best available based on what exactly? He does not have a good track record in college at all.

A 3 year decline on defense at Cal and a mediocre year at USC isn't telling me much good about him.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15363 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:18 pm to
Brendoni - do you mind posting where his NFL defenses ranked each year he was a DC in the league?
Posted by BayouBengal0505
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2013
2687 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:20 pm to
Who would you like for LSU to hire?
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14958 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:20 pm to
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He does not have a good track record in college at all.

Please post your favorite pick's track record.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:21 pm to
If we really want to go after coaches who have taken a year off then shite lets go get Lou Tepper he has been out of the game for 3 years now.
Posted by pensacola
pensacola
Member since Sep 2005
4821 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:21 pm to
"Born in 1967, he is single."
(NTTAWWT)
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15363 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:22 pm to
I'm afraid we don't have 4 years to teach our LB's the scheme. They leave after 3.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
36104 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:22 pm to
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i know to you this may sound like beating a dead drum but from my standpoint, the "resource/talent" equation is non-valid argument. If you disagree take a long look at LSU's offense this year, Mallory-Peveto's defense and Crowton's/Stud's Offense.


Conversely, a guy who can build a solid D out of scraps and spare parts while playing in a league that is heavy on offense probably did it on based scheme and coaching acumen. Nothing is automatic, but giving such a guy more firepower to run said scheme should yield some positive results.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:23 pm to
There are many things that can ruin a defense. talent, bad coaching, bad luck, SOS.

I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve any blame for what happened, but we shouldn't rule out that there factors may be at play. Nothing has shown me that Chavis was responsible for the downfall of our defense in 2013 and the start of 2014. The NFL gashed us and our talent levels went way way down. Did cal lose a lot of players on defense making them underperform against previous teams? I don't know. As people have said you can put together the greatest game plan known to man, but if your players don't execute it doesn't matter.

Just like this year, I think Cam is a smart offensive mind and with good players in place he can put together an effective offense. Our offense had shades of greatness and horribleness. You can put that on QB play, injuries on the line etc.

but what ever pendergast is clearly the best man for the job. Bring in coach O and it is a home run hire.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:24 pm to
Tedford lost that team.

Tough for a DC when the entire team is subpar talent wise and quit on the lame duck head coach. USC fans wish they'd retained him and he's done well everywhere else.
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