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re: LSU, Ohio State, SEC ,and media/I don't get it!?!?
Posted on 7/26/08 at 3:35 am to Tigerdew
Posted on 7/26/08 at 3:35 am to Tigerdew
i was talking with my next door neighbor (who is an alabama fan) yesterday and mentioned that we really think people who follow a jim jones or david koresh or the heaven's folks must be really stupid....yet we don't apply the same standards to the idiots who drive around with a little W on the back of their SUVs and the lemmings who swallow a tag line like 'change we can believe in' and want to blindly follow someone off a cliff.
the same stupidity applies to the constant 'saban's recruits' nonsense that has been repeated so many times that simple minded folks think it is valid.
no, it is not wrong to give saban (and his coaching staff at LSU at the time) mention for identifying talented players and helping to convince those players to come to LSU -
although there is even some debate as to how many cases in which saban's recruiting made the difference on landing players...just for the sake of arguement say that every single recruit came because of nick.
however, the FACT is that the raw talent of the players was developed and molded into a team by LES MILES.
i was wrong about miles in the past, and much of my negative impression of him was based on the fact that he didn't appear to be an offensive or defensive genius type.
what time has proven out is that his genius is being a "damn fine" football coach.
he is a man of character and integrity. he finds experts to be his assistants and TRUSTS them to do their jobs. his teams are tremendously innovative and always well motivated.
LES MILES COACHED HIS TEAM TO A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. He and his staff deserve full credit for that.
and for all of the Gump fans and others who drink the Saban Kool-Aid, i pose this question.
if nick is so great, then why couldn't he do any better than Shula did when he added a class of 'his recruits' to those who had been brought in by Shula?
If Saban is such a difference maker, then why did the Alabama team get WORSE as the season went on (ie with MORE TIME UNDER HIS COACHING), including losses to Miss State and UL Monroe?
the same stupidity applies to the constant 'saban's recruits' nonsense that has been repeated so many times that simple minded folks think it is valid.
no, it is not wrong to give saban (and his coaching staff at LSU at the time) mention for identifying talented players and helping to convince those players to come to LSU -
although there is even some debate as to how many cases in which saban's recruiting made the difference on landing players...just for the sake of arguement say that every single recruit came because of nick.
however, the FACT is that the raw talent of the players was developed and molded into a team by LES MILES.
i was wrong about miles in the past, and much of my negative impression of him was based on the fact that he didn't appear to be an offensive or defensive genius type.
what time has proven out is that his genius is being a "damn fine" football coach.
he is a man of character and integrity. he finds experts to be his assistants and TRUSTS them to do their jobs. his teams are tremendously innovative and always well motivated.
LES MILES COACHED HIS TEAM TO A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. He and his staff deserve full credit for that.
and for all of the Gump fans and others who drink the Saban Kool-Aid, i pose this question.
if nick is so great, then why couldn't he do any better than Shula did when he added a class of 'his recruits' to those who had been brought in by Shula?
If Saban is such a difference maker, then why did the Alabama team get WORSE as the season went on (ie with MORE TIME UNDER HIS COACHING), including losses to Miss State and UL Monroe?
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Posted on 7/26/08 at 4:10 am to jrowla2
other than usc name the teams that have won the bcs with big name qbs
Posted on 7/26/08 at 4:14 am to dgnx6
past bcs qbs- flynn no, leak yes(not without tebow) and he was regarded higher before he came to uf then when he was a senior, young (the best in my eyes), mauck no, krenzel no, dorsey no,hueple no, weinke yes (but we have had and played against much better qbs), martin (was the shite and actually coached at the first high school i went to) that being said, he was no manning
This post was edited on 7/26/08 at 4:31 am
Posted on 7/26/08 at 5:56 am to dgnx6
I think one of the most important aspects of what you lost, along with the names, is the leadership. Those guys had been starters or had seen significant time, most of them, for years. They had been through and seen everything.
And your choices at starter are a RS freshman, a transfer from Harvard's JV squad, and a true frosh. It's just a fact that QB is one of the only positions that can truly lose you games on his own accord
And your choices at starter are a RS freshman, a transfer from Harvard's JV squad, and a true frosh. It's just a fact that QB is one of the only positions that can truly lose you games on his own accord
Posted on 7/26/08 at 6:17 am to Buckeye06
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It's just a fact that QB is one of the only positions that can truly lose you games on his own accord
You're stupid if you believe this.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 6:23 am to lsusa
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but if the teams are being ranked by 'projected results' then its not unreasonable to project Auburn ahead of us.
There is nothing reasonable about thinking that Auburn has more than a 50% chance to beat LSU this year, and if you believe otherwise, you're a ridiculously superstitious mo-fo. And LSU's schedule is not really all that difficult. Our 3 toughest games might all be against teams from the SEC East.
So if you pick UF to win the SEC, that makes a lot of sense. But if you pick any other team besides LSU or UF, you need to have your head examined. That doesn't mean it can't happen, but it's still a horrible pick.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 6:25 am to Doc Fenton
Well said, sir...well, said
Posted on 7/26/08 at 6:41 am to Shiftyplus1
It's all Ryan11's fault.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 7:31 am to TRIAN73
The team that keeps on getting the hype almost every year is USC. Even when LSU wins the NC, not long there after does the attention swing to the next year; and LSU becomes the already mentioned "Rodney Dangerield" of college football. Just gives LSU ammunition for this year to be a "Damn Good Football Team".
Posted on 7/26/08 at 7:48 am to tigermaniac22311
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we don't need a huge playmaker QB we just need a QB who won't make stupid decisions
EX. 2003 and 2007
Unfortunately, inexperienced QB's will do that. Seniors won in 03 & 07.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 7:50 am to Buckeye06
to the buckeye:
do you think your team would beat LSU in a rematch this season?
i don't
do you think your team would beat LSU in a rematch this season?
i don't
Posted on 7/26/08 at 7:54 am to TRIAN73
14 points isnt beating the hell out of somebody. 3 or more touchdowns is.
also ohio state is returning 18/19 of its 22 starters from last year.
you are biased yourself
also ohio state is returning 18/19 of its 22 starters from last year.
you are biased yourself
Posted on 7/26/08 at 8:06 am to fanrun
I don't know why everybody is so focused on the rankings anyway. LSU is a much better underdog. I hate it when we're trying to stay on top. The bottom line is that anything can happen this season, and college football is becoming more difficult to predict. Last year was the year of the upsets (top 10 teams falling to unranked opponents), and this year will have it's share of surprises. Potentially, LSU could go undefeated...but so could UF, UGA, AU. Not likely, but anything's possible right now.
Look at the positives. We have a big, brutal veteran O-Line; a huge, fast D-line, great playmakers in the secondary; a slew of offensive, NFL-caliber playmakers; while having to rely on a 4-star (albeit, untested qb) and speedy (though, untested) corners. I really don't remember, but wasn't LSU like 12th in the preseason in 2003? We have to start winning football games (and win them convincingly) before we start bitching about rankings. It reminds me of the '05 Bama team who was ready pick up the crystal football halfway through the season. We have too many other things to worry about.
Look at the positives. We have a big, brutal veteran O-Line; a huge, fast D-line, great playmakers in the secondary; a slew of offensive, NFL-caliber playmakers; while having to rely on a 4-star (albeit, untested qb) and speedy (though, untested) corners. I really don't remember, but wasn't LSU like 12th in the preseason in 2003? We have to start winning football games (and win them convincingly) before we start bitching about rankings. It reminds me of the '05 Bama team who was ready pick up the crystal football halfway through the season. We have too many other things to worry about.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 8:30 am to zack7552
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I hate it when we're trying to stay on top.
What exactly is it that you would prefer? ... lol
I hated Saban when he was at LSU because he would constantly talk down to our fans, but seeing how many people react after we just won our second national championship in 5 years, you have to admit that the man had a valid point.
You really do have to have a loser's mentality, and fear success, to still feel frightened of due respect after your team just won more national titles over the last 11 seasons than any other school.
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We have to start winning football games (and win them convincingly) before we start bitching about rankings. It reminds me of the '05 Bama team who was ready pick up the crystal football halfway through the season.
We're not bitching about rankings. We're making fun of them and exposing the faulty logic that produced them, because it's still July. There's a difference. The only person arguing that the rankings make a big difference is you, as if LSU NEEDS to be ranked poorly in order to win. That's bullshite. We're not in 1997 anymore.
The Tigers don't need low rankings to sneak up and surprise anyone. No defending champ does. And to compare this '08 LSU team to '05 Alabama is really an underhanded thing to do. That's just uncalled for.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 8:39 am to zack7552
The good news is that if we win, there's nothing anyone can do about it. If LSU runs the table, we will be back in the MNC game. If we lose a game but win the SEC, we have a 90% chance of making the title game. Same formula as every other year. So worrying about a preseason rank is a bit childish. The "experts" look at a tough road schedule, a harder in-conference schedule than Auburn, playing Auburn at Auburn, loss of senior leadership, two green corners and unproven QBs. And yet we're still ranked in the top 10. That's pretty respectful if you ask me. Do I think we're better than some teams ahead of us? Yeah, I think so. But if we go out and win, we will be proven correct and if we lose, the experts will be proven correct. It is just that simple.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:08 am to Doc Fenton
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What exactly is it that you would prefer? ... lol
Elleshoe become the doormat of the SEC?
This guy is crazy, perhaps a future Miles Maniac
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:20 am to Doc Fenton
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as if LSU NEEDS to be ranked poorly in order to win.
I don't want to be ranked poorly. I don't think that was my point. Anywhere in the top 15 is fine with me in the preseason. I prefer LSU to have a nice steady ascent to the top. Number 1 and 2 in the preseason isn't always the best place to be.
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The Tigers don't need low rankings to sneak up and surprise anyone. No defending champ does.
The Tigers will not "sneak up" on anyone like UF in 1997, but there is a good chance that we will be underestimated by a lot of teams in the SEC. That's fine with me.
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We're not bitching about rankings.
I'm sorry, but some of the posts on this thread and others sound like bitching...JMO.
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And to compare this '08 LSU team to '05 Alabama is really an underhanded thing to do. That's just uncalled for.
Agreed, that I likely should not have typed that, mainly because the two teams were coming off of very different years...and that's what makes the situation different. However, reading some of these threads makes me think that the Tigers should automatically get a free pass and get all the love from the pollsters (a la Bama). My point is that there will be a lot of great teams in the SEC this year and UF, UGA, and AU all have a SLIGHT edge. I'm ok with that. It doesn't mean we can't still beat their asses when the time comes. Taking out three potentially top 10 teams should be enough to make it to the title if the situation presents itself.
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You really do have to have a loser's mentality, and fear success, to still feel frightened of due respect after your team just won more national titles over the last 11 seasons than any other school
Definitely no fear of success. As for the "loser's mentality"...I did go to LSU from 1991 to 1995...sorry, I'm working on it.
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:23 am to zack7552
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I don't want to be ranked poorly. I don't think that was my point. Anywhere in the top 15 is fine with me in the preseason. I prefer LSU to have a nice steady ascent to the top. Number 1 and 2 in the preseason isn't always the best place to be.
Are you on crack? THAT IS ALWAYS THE PLACE TO BE
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:25 am to Rocket
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If the refs pull any funny business on us at AU this year, LSU fans will riot. I believe in them
The refs will pull funny businesses on us and the outcome will be the same as 2004 and 2006. Book it, Rocket.
AU game is definitely a loss for LSU (due to the zebras, not due to AU being better than us on that day).
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:27 am to LSUMONSTER
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The refs will pull funny businesses on us and the outcome will be the same as 2004 and 2006. Book it, Rocket
If it happens, we will make them pay. It will be the last time they ever think about pulling that shite again.
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