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re: LSU OC vs LSU OC - Jimbo vs E - Avg Total Offense - E's Crushin' It
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:42 am to 00 Tech Grad
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:42 am to 00 Tech Grad
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Yep. Put Burrow in an Urban Meyer offense and he’s probably elite. Not Ensminger’s slow developing crap.
I really hope Ensminger lets Brady revamp the offense
So then explain to me again why Ensminger is the offensive coordinator?
The only thing I could think is that orgeron promised, as part of getting the job, that he would go get the best offensive coordinator. So he went out and got the best offensive coordinator. Then proceeded to handcuff him because he hasn't learned anything from his Ole Miss days about micromanaging despite explicitly and repeatedly saying he has.
When he went to Joe and cried that he wanted another new offensive coordinator after just one year, Joe put the clamp down on him, probably because of $ or because no OC wants to work for him, so he was forced to promote from within, a guy that loves LSU and will work for cheap.
Even though I don't agree with it, optics says you can't keep firing your offensive coordinator after 1 year so he's stuck with Ensminger at least for a couple years and he's got to bring in consultants and analysts to try to fix the offense.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:43 am
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:48 am to nola000
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When he went to Joe and cried that he wanted another new offensive coordinator after just one year, Joe put the clamp down on him, probably because of $ or because no OC wants to work for him, so he was forced to promote from within
I don’t know, but I think you’re wrong here. Obviously O didn’t trust Canada and there was a lot of friction caused by both O and Canada. O, like Alleva, wants yes men. Canada was not one. Ensminger is. Ensminger was who O wanted all along I believe...a comfort hire who will not ever challenge him. The friction with Canada just gave O the excuse he needed to hire who he really wanted to, even though he’s not an elite OC.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:49 am to nola000
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When he went to Joe and cried that he wanted another new offensive coordinator after just one year, Joe put the clamp down on him, probably because of $ or because no OC wants to work for him, so he was forced to promote from within, a guy that loves LSU and will work for cheap.
That doesn't really make much sense. Joe's arse is on the line just as much as Orgeron's. Seems to me Joe should have been pushing for Orgeron to go out and get the best OC available just like he promised he would.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:50 am to Fat Bastard
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Jimbo obviously sucks.
Only has a top 5 win % as a HC from 2010 onward.
Only put a bunch of guys in pros.
Only won nattys as a OC AND HC
BY GAWD TERRIBLE.
It's just another way for this guy to brand people as haters. If you don't agree that O and E are "crushing it" and if you dare to think Fisher is a better OC than Ensminer, then you're negative. It doesn't matter how satisfied you are or if you think they may do well in 2019.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:52 am to SammyTiger
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Things you have to give O credit for:
We didn’t abandon the passing game
We threw a lot more (more than Miles did going back all the way to 2008) and
Hiring Brady makes me feel like he isn’t complacent
Absolutely. Despite what the positigers say, we're not negatiger, were just realistic. I'll give you a whole list of things I give Orgeron credit for.
1. I like the guy. I wouldn't have hired him for head coach but I would have no problem having him on my staff if I was a coach.
2. He's a player's coach in the players seem to love him and play hard as hell for him.
3. He's a great recruiter.
4. He seems to understand what the fans want to see. He may not be able to deliver it but he sees it, recognizes it and mentions it. That's refreshing coming from Les Miles who seemed to have his head in the sand.
5. He does seem to want to try to address the problems. Again, a welcome change from the Miles era. I just don't think he's doing it right and the results agree.
For the record, I'm not a big fan of the Les Miles coach teams or the Ed Orgeron coached teams. I like the coaching approaches of guys like Nick Saban, as much as I hate the little fricker, and Will Wade.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:00 am to nola000
Odds this OP makes another dumbass thread that blows up in his face yet again and goes for the trifecta? After last two faikures? I’ll say 2 to 1 odds.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:02 am to 00 Tech Grad
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Obviously O didn’t trust Canada and there was a lot of friction caused by both O and Canada
Doesn't matter. You swallow your fricking pride and do what's best for the team. We've all worked with people we don't like but if they're good at their job you leave well enough alone. You grow the frick up and be a man and quit with the high school girl drama.
Nick Saban and Lane kiffin hated each other.
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. O, like Alleva, wants yes men. Canada was not one. Ensminger is.
This appears to be the case. It's incredibly unfortunate because it was the same thing with Les Miles. It ended up being his undoing. If it doesn't change his ways, it'll be his as well. And you know what they say about teaching an old dog new tricks. Especially one who came in claiming he absolutely could learn new tricks and he forgot all his old ones.
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The friction with Canada just gave O the excuse he needed to hire who he really wanted to, even though he’s not an elite OC.
I believe this to be the case as well.
He promised he would get the best offensive coordinator as a way to secure the head coaching job. Well he did that. Check that box. So now he can shitcan him and hire his friends. He said he would go out and get the best offensive coordinator, he didn't say he would keep him or give him the autonomy necessary to be successful. Which, if you knew anything about Matt Canada, was pretty high on his list. He had the same issues with fat Bert. That was probably the source of the friction.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:04 am to UpToPar
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That doesn't really make much sense. Joe's arse is on the line just as much as Orgeron's. Seems to me Joe should have been pushing for Orgeron to go out and get the best OC available just like he promised he would.
He did and like the previous poster mentioned, the friction that Orgeron created gave him the excuse to get rid of him and hire who he wanted all along.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:07 am to TigerLunatik
Correct lunatic. I’ve said it before and will say it again. Certain posters here have shite on Jimbo, Meyer, freeze, saban, Herman, Canada. You name it. Anything to prop up their regime regardless of the facts. It really kills any credibility they thought they had. Like for example the claim saban can only recruit and can’t coach. Lol. He musta had great recruits at Toledo and with the browns and dolphins. Bwahahahahah. Defense was never an issue in his pro coaching. I posted the stats.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:10 am to Fat Bastard
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Anything to prop up their regime regardless of the facts.
The guy used Canada’s offensive numbers and claimed they were Ensminger’s.
if that isn’t enough of a tip-off that these idiots aren’t trying to post/argue in good faith, I don’t know what is. 
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:17 am to TigerLunatik
Who cares what Jimbo did 18 years ago as an OC working under Nick Saban. Tell me how his 1st offense compared with the LSU offense of 2018.
With all due respect to Coach E, how does he get credit for yds gained in 2017 when he was out TE coach.
With all due respect to Coach E, how does he get credit for yds gained in 2017 when he was out TE coach.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:18 am to deaux
Basically what's being done here is while everyone else is using a 1-10 sliding scale, OP is using a 1 or 10 scale. So, if anyone wants to give an 8 for the job being done then OP considers that a 1 and those people are "negatigers."
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:20 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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And I'd rather watch paint dry, than baseball.
Keepin up wit the balls and strikes count just be to hard for ya huh, maf’k?
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:35 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I see OP hasn’t edited the first post despite blatantly trying to pass off Matt Canada’s offensive numbers for Ensminger’s.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:38 am to Buckeye Jeaux
STFU Derek
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:38 am to J2thaROC
quote:Loved playing baseball. Can't stand watching it. Just too damn slow. Just my opinion. But, it is indeed my opinion.
Keepin up wit the balls and strikes count just be to hard for ya huh, maf’k?
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:41 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Why didn’t you include Ensminger’s numbers from his previous OC jobs?
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:42 am to Fat Bastard
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Jimbo, Meyer, freeze, saban, Herman, Canada.
None of them want to be at LSU. Don't give a shite about them
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:46 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Loved playing baseball. Can't stand watching it. Just too damn slow. Just my opinion. But, it is indeed my opinion.
This is how I feel as well. I love to watch my Tigers play, but I don't watch any other baseball. I did watch Bregman in the Home Run derby though.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:48 am to Fat Bastard
quote:Right. a failure in a Neg's demented little mind. The point of the post remains the same. Jimbo had a few very good years, but mostly has had mediocre years.
Odds this OP makes another dumbass thread that blows up in his face yet again and goes for the trifecta? After last two faikures? I’ll say 2 to 1 odds.
14 wins and 10 losses in the the last 2 seasons. A&M will most likely have 5 or more losses in '19. That crab-nabber in T-town saved Jimbo's arse.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 11:49 am
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