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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Well, they're coming out of the woodwork.
Summarizing succinctly all the bullshite from the O pumpers, some other posters and I have been proven right.
A significant part of this fan base--and a significant part of the BOS-- is okay with mediocrity, because now "we gots a corch dat tawks lak us, sha!"
To them, it was never about Miles.
And that weasel Alleva couldn't be happier because his job is more secure, when his seat should be on fire.
Alleva is doing his best to lower the bar of expectations, and with the number of idiots in this fan base, he's succeeding.
Summarizing succinctly all the bullshite from the O pumpers, some other posters and I have been proven right.
A significant part of this fan base--and a significant part of the BOS-- is okay with mediocrity, because now "we gots a corch dat tawks lak us, sha!"
To them, it was never about Miles.
And that weasel Alleva couldn't be happier because his job is more secure, when his seat should be on fire.
Alleva is doing his best to lower the bar of expectations, and with the number of idiots in this fan base, he's succeeding.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:06 am
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:03 am to timlan2057
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Alleva better hope Ed works out for him. If he doesn't, it will mean the end of his gravy train as AD.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:07 am to TigerFan4040
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Dumb thread is really dumb. No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant. Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
So you saying Oklahoma is in a rebuild?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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o anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild
Eh, everyone with a brain knew this would be a transition year, no matter who we hired.
The O haters used this against him, saying the standard should always be 10 wins blah blah blah. He has been set up to fail from the start because they said it can't be a rebuild when they damn well knew it would be at least a year before he could replenish the talent we lost in the offseason.
it's not really about getting "his guys" in. Just needs to keep building. This team isn't very good and that would be for any coach here
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:True dat.
LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Is it a rebuild if just bringing the young one's along is the issue? I say no.
However, I consider it a failure at this point they are not further along. Really disappointed in Aranda (therefore by default CEO). If he feels he has to limit his scheming that much due to freshmen not being ready we are "behind schedule" to use a euphemism.
But to reiterate-
A) Yes, CEO was to avoid a rebuild, no doubt... primary objective of the hire.
B) If it turns out that getting freshmen SEC ready was the key, it wasn't a rebuild. More of a refit, which is fine.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Nailed it!!!!!
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:09 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
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Any coach would get beat by 30 against the conference's perennial cellar dweller.
I beg to differ.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:09 am to Lester Earl
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The O haters used this against him, saying the standard should always be 10 wins blah blah blah.
THAT was his sales pitch to Alleva
don't try to criticize people for making O live up to his own words
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He has been set up to fail from the start because they said it can't be a rebuild when they damn well knew it would be at least a year before he could replenish the talent we lost in the offseason.
he set himself up to fail, then. again, that's on O
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This team isn't very good and that would be for any coach here
then what is the logical point to hire a coach for continuity?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:11 am to ProjectP2294
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Your making the argument that because 3 losses a year wouldn't be acceptable, it's okay that we hired a guy that's going to give us 5 or 6 per year?
Correct in the SECW today, 3 losses should not be acceptable for a program who wants to be considered elite. I never said it was okay to have 5 losses with CEO... waat?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
If "the team isn't very good" like Lester posits, there is no factual predicate for hiring O. If a full rebuild was necessary, O's candidacy doesn't have a prayer. His pitch was based on keeping things going, keeping recruiting together, and the players wanting him which was stupid. In reality it was based on Jimbo and Herman not working out so Alleva hired the easiest candidate quickly so he could "win" the narrative Thanksgiving week. Good job, a-hole.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:16 am to therick711
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If "the team isn't very good" like Lester posits, there is no factual predicate for hiring O
exactly
if LSU is a legit rebuild (and i'm not even arguing that it's not, objectively), then we needed somebody to come in, tear down the culture, team, schemes, mentality, etc and actually rebuild the program
we hired O to AVOID the rebuild. if it's a rebuild, then O is truly a terrible hire (b/c what kind of continuity are we maintaining? mediocrity?). if it's not a rebuild, then O has already failed this year. you don't get it both ways
do people who support O and also believe that LSU is a rebuild believe that O is the right coach to rebuild LSU? based on what?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
who should we have hired, and why would this person automatically be worlds better than o at lsu?
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so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD
that could all be true, but it's just one bad game that went terribly wrong. maybe we'll fix a lot of what's wrong the next couple of games and atone for last years florida debacle.
O will get this season and next season for sure. If he can't do it, we'll move on, and our new AD will easily be able to bring 70 year old Saban back, right?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:18 am to therick711
A perennial cellar dweller with the best player in the sec and a great offensive coach? Ok guy.
Funny people were laughing at the notion of us going after dan Mullen in the offseason
Funny people were laughing at the notion of us going after dan Mullen in the offseason
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:19 am to Lester Earl
Beating Ed Orgeron's arse doesn't make you a great candidate. If that was the barometer, we should have just signed up Houston Nutt and gotten it over with.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:21 am to Skillet
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Skillet
You are clearly not a very informed fan to legitimately question who would be better than O.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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then what is the logical point to hire a coach for continuity?
A pitch for continuity does not have to equate to winning every game. You have complained about Miles' downward trajectory for fricking years jake.
at what point does this trajectory show its head? frick man We botched 2016 with championship talent. Now all that talent is gone. We're young & the returning players are not great. Analyze the damn roster &situation instead of just reading the headlines,
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:22 am to Skillet
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who should we have hired,
assuming we're a legit rebuild? Mullen, Fleck, Taggert, or Aranda
if we wanted to maintain that 2-4 loss dynamic, there are a slew of coaches who are coaching BCS-conference teams who don't have the abysmal record that O does as HC. guys like Larry Fedora and that class/level of coach
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:22 am to AshLSU
quote:so you want to compare Saban to a coach who is something like 7-24 in the SEC? Ok gotcha
That why Saban has been able to go through coordinators left and right but still keep that machine running?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:22 am to Lester Earl
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Funny people were laughing at the notion of us going after dan Mullen in the offseason
I mentioned that yesterday. LSU fan base would have have totally lost it had Alleva went after Mullen.
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