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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:11 am to SportTiger1
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:11 am to SportTiger1
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Les' last 4 classes averaged rank 4th. That is tied with Ohio state and FSU for the 2nd best avg.
I bet they are not expecting a rebuild.
Yea but we had a TON of attrition this offseason. The class of 2015 has lost 8 guys (so far). We've already lost one of the top guys from 2016 (Smith), and possibly a couple of others we don't know about yet (Anderson, Roddy). And that's not even counting the suspended and injured players.
I mean, when you are steadily losing more than a quarter of each class, there's a problem. Les had one. IMO it was cultural. No discipline, place was like a damn country club.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:12 am to Lester Earl
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Right, like I was the only one last week saying our team wasn't as good as people thought and took on a barrage of rantards telling me how wrong I was
I promise you weren't. There were 10+ posters(myself and many posting in this thread) questioning the offense.
I just think your reasoning is different than mine. Its not a talent problem...at least not against miss st
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:14 am to SportTiger1
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Its not a talent problem...at least not against miss st
It was, though. Just look at the dline in that game. Herron is clearly suspended. Lawrence is injured. Alexander got injured.
Hell we played Deondre Clark, and we NEVER play Deondre Clark. Talent doesn't mean shite if you can't put it on the field.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:18 am to TxTiger82
Also, we have a noodle-armed QB and only one decent WR. We used to have guys like Dwayne Bowe on the damn bench. Now DJ Chark is all we've got.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 1:19 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:27 am to offshoretrash
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He did! We have one of the best freshman classes ever. You people are so fricking stupid.
Come on man. This was the worst ranked class since 2012. It would probably be les' 6th or 7th best class.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:29 am to Madking
Can you explain to me at what point would you actually start to question whether O is the right guy for the job? I'm curious to what your threshold is to when you actually start holding him accountable
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:36 am to wildtigercat93
Ive been questioning it since he was hired. I'm not defending O I'm simply saying that our fans are blowing Saturday night way out of proportion. We had a bigger loss to Auburn 3 years ago we've had worse losses under the last 2 coaches (Auburn 14, Bama 1/9/12, Arky 07, Tenn 05, Uga 04, UAB 2000) yet for some reason ppl are acting like this was the worst loss in history and it's because of their pre conceived opinion of Ogeron soley. The score itself Saturday had a lot to do with bogus calls. I don't think they cost us the game but they definaty affected the final score.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 1:44 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:43 am to SlowFlowPro
You killed this thread. Thank you and I love you
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:44 am to Madking
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We had a bigger loss to Auburn 3 years ago we've had worse losses under the last 2 coaches (Auburn 14, Bama 1/9/12, Arky 07, Uga 04, UAB 2000) yet for some reason ppl are acting like this was the worst loss in history a
It's certainly up there in recent memory. Losing to State is a lot less forgivable than losing to Auburn.
People are upset because we are nowhere near the standard that the AD and coach O himself set before the season. You cannot move the goal posts now because of the loss. He will feel the heat because he sold a bag of lies. Same thing you just accused Miles of doing.
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The score itself Saturday had a lot to do with bogus calls. I don't think they cost us the game but they definaty affected the final score.
This might be something to hang your hat on except penalties have been a huge issue in all three games. 3 different ref crews have called LSU for a massive amount of penalties. At that point you cannot call it bad luck, or poor officiating, you must see it for what it is, poor coaching and disciplining.
If it was a close loss, I think people might be more inclined to give O "more time", but we had no fight, no will and no discipline. Those were the things expected out of this team and one of the main reasons O got hired, to clean that stuff up and to ensure the team stays motivated. That sure as hell didn't look to be the case on Saturday.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:56 am to wildtigercat93
Well Auburn went 8-5 in 2014 so just because they're Auburn doesn't mean they're better than State who'll probly win at least 8 games this year. So again a lot of the outrage is based on subjective things that are not actually true. I do agree that some of our fans would be less critical if the score was closer but the ppl leading this charge would not and you know who they are I'm not gonna mention their names. As far as expectations I don't rely on what coaches and ADs say because they're always going to overstate expectations. Vegas had our odds at 9-3 this season and that's what I expected with a chance at 8-4 because of the extra SEC road game. We lost more impact players and players in general from last years roster than any year in the last 20 seasons. The only year even comparable was 08 but we lost even more this year. Plus guys who've quit guys thrown off and guys who transfered last year who are supposed to be key contributors this season. This is an 8-9 win roster realistically with a ton of talented freshman learning a new culture and a new offense.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:02 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:00 am to Madking
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Did you want Miles canned after the Tennessee game?
Do you honestly believe losing by a couple points to Tennessee is REMOTELY Close to that shite show we watched last Saturday? Ill remind you that we lost by 30 to miss st...in case you've forgot already.
I mean seriously...
Eta- thinking back, you make some of the strangest comparisons.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:01 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:03 am to SportTiger1
Do you even remember the game? We blew a 21 point lead to a 3 win team in the 4th quarter.. Yes it's comparable, as far as coaching goes you could argue it's worse. The team didn't play bad there were no flukes or bad calls, Miles blew the game. Saturday was a total team loss, the players Aranda and Canada were awful the refs screwed us it as a bad night all around, 05 Tenneseee was a coach choking.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:07 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:05 am to Madking
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We blew a 21 point lead to a 3 win team in the 4th quarter
At least we got 21 points scored.
Far different from scoring 7 against a team we've owned.
I'm not ready to throw in the towel but I'm definitely concerned.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:10 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:10 am to la_birdman
Lol true but when you get dominated there's a sense of ok we as an entire team and staff made big mistakes. We prepared wrong our gameplan was wrong and our players didn't execute didnt play hard or smart everyone is accountable. That Tenn game fell on one mans shoulders and the game was won but we gave it away we didn't get beat. Plus that State team is way better than the 05 Tenn team. State already has as many wins as that Vols team did all year.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:12 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:13 am to Madking
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That Tenn game fell on one mans shoulders
Kinda like this last game.
We looked completely unprepared. I don't want people to get fired, I don't. I don't like that.
I know, I'm sure that there are people who know far more than I about the ins and outs of running a football program however, if I can see what needs work, and those things still need work, that's not a good sign.
I'd like to see O turn it around. I really do. I like him. He's a great guy. Do I have confidence he will? I'm not so sure. I'm on the fence.
Guess we'll see.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:15 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:20 am to Madking
At least against Tenn there were positives...hell, the fact that we came out on fire and were up by 21 to begin with Is better than anything you can point to last week. We didn't even show up.
Imho
And btw , I was pissed after we lost that game. But les' leash was quite a bit longer than O's, given how risky of a hire he was.
Imho
And btw , I was pissed after we lost that game. But les' leash was quite a bit longer than O's, given how risky of a hire he was.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:22 am to la_birdman
I disagree about that. Aranda called the worst game he's called since he's been here. He gets a mulligan because he hasn't had any bad games so far and even Bama gets lit up once or twice a year. Canada was equally terrible, he was hired so we could win games like this, we had refs blowing calls left and right we had Alexander launching into the QB during the most crucial 3rd down of the game we had huge plays dropped by our top 2 Wrs and our Oline got exposed. There was plenty of blame to go around Saturday. 05 Tenn we dominated the game then in the second half with J. Russell at QB we threw 1 pass on first down and basically tried to run the clock out for 30 minutes. We had the ball on their 3 at the end of the first half with a timeout and let the clock expire getting no points, we ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down literally the entire second half and the only time we threw it was flat routes and nothing beyond 10 yards. We had a grand total if 1 first down in the second half and it came on a Hail Mary at the end of regulation. I repeat zero first downs in a half until a Hail Mary on the last play with a QB that was the number 1 pick in the draft.
Btw my bad Tennessee won 5 games not 3 they won 3 the next season my mistake.
Btw my bad Tennessee won 5 games not 3 they won 3 the next season my mistake.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:27 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:29 am to SportTiger1
I agree there were a lot of positives in that game. I'm not trying to say which loss was worse I'm saying both coaches started 2-1 with a terrible loss but fans are responding differently to the same situation. It was Miles first year remember he hadn't earned any slack yet and he being our 5th choice in the coaching search had a lot of people worried about the hire similar to Os hiring. I'll admit the night of the game I was screaming fire him lol but I said the same thing when Saban lost to UAB. The next day I cooled off though and caught my head which isn't happening here.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:32 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:33 am to Madking
Why do you always get me to defend miles? Stahp, I don't like it.
O's abysmal failure at Ole miss + The fact that hes accomplished nothing since then + losing by 30 to a team we are 23-2 against in 25 years = holy shite we're screwed.
That reaction is not unreasonable.
O's abysmal failure at Ole miss + The fact that hes accomplished nothing since then + losing by 30 to a team we are 23-2 against in 25 years = holy shite we're screwed.
That reaction is not unreasonable.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:07 am to SportTiger1
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O's abysmal failure at Ole miss + The fact that hes accomplished nothing since then + losing by 30 to a team we are 23-2 against in 25 years = holy shite we're screwed.
Unfortunately we have to compare everything to Miles. It's alarming how everything is Miles's fault, from the recruiting to the attrition. O has been in charge nearly a year. At what point does he get culpability? If Miles is immediately culpable after two storms hit LA and screw up the start of our season then why isn't the blame falling squarely onto O's shoulders.
I think part of the massive backlash we've seen on this board is that O is exactly who people expected him to be. He didn't learn anything from those great coaches he worked under after Ole Miss (LOL), nor did he really earn this job.
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